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 Post subject: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:29 pm 
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Wow. Not a good situation there.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:32 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:03 pm 
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This has huge implications on so many levels.

The Egyptian government has been despised by its own people for years and has been extremely repressive and corrupt.

But because Egypt has been a reliable ally, the US govt and media have paid it little mind on a daily basis.

Contrast that with the way unfriendly regimes like Saddam's Iraq and Iran have been demonized for doing the same kinds of things to maintain their domestic power.

Now that the pot is boiling over, America is paying attention.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:06 pm 
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Chico wrote:
Now that the pot is boiling over, America is paying attention.


Kind of.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:30 pm 
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It will be interesting to see what comes out of this situation and if there are any other countries ready to topple next.


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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:58 pm 
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Not a good situation? I think this is the best thing that happened to Egypt since Sadat went to the Knesset.

If Mubarrack falls, I wonder if Syria is next, at which point Bashir can finally go and operate on eyes like he always wanted to before his brother decided to play chicken with a tree.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:29 pm 
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I just hope we don't get attacked by mummies.....


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:31 pm 
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northway wrote:
Not a good situation? I think this is the best thing that happened to Egypt since Sadat went to the Knesset.

If Mubarrack falls, I wonder if Syria is next, at which point Bashir can finally go and operate on eyes like he always wanted to before his brother decided to play chicken with a tree.


It's very rare for an autocrat to leave power without a lot of innocent people getting hurt.

From the perspective of Israel, they've had peace for 30 years with a neighboring country of 80 million people.

Considering the fact that they are in a perpetual state of war with many of their other neighbors, I'm sure the uncertainty of what lies ahead for Egypt is a huge matter in Israel.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:07 pm 
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First: the only neighbor that Israel is in a state of war with is Syria. Relations have been fine with Jordan for a long time, and the Lebanese government isn't Israel's problem.

Second: it's not that rare for an autocrat to leave power without a lot of innocent people getting hurt. South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines were all able to pull it off, helped in large part by the fact that they don't have huge ethnic/cultural divisions within the society, similar to the situation in Egypt. Egypt has long been considered the best opportunity the Arab world has for democracy, given that it has a fairly homogenous society both ethnically and religiously.

Third: Israel's stability hasn't been built for the long-term. An Egypt that wasn't ludicrously corrupt, that was capable of real economic development and interconnectedness, is much better for Israel's future than one wherein Mubarrak tamps down a powder keg with a kerosene soaked rag.

Fourth: it's worth recognizing that part of the reason South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines were fairly non-violent transfers of power was that the US withdrew support for the regime upon realizing that it's position was untenable. I.e., it's better to stop backing a guy who is going to fall than to watch your public image go down with him. If you want to really make the next generation hate you, the best way to go is to keep backing someone like Mubarrak at a time like this.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:37 pm 
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Down with Mubarak! If the Egyptians want an Islamist form of government, let them lay their own bed. Once they get a taste of its reality, they will soon reject it.

Looks like the landscape of the middle east is going to be changing for the better, though it might take decades.


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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
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Ciarán wrote:
Down with Mubarak! If the Egyptians want an Islamist form of government, let them lay their own bed. Once they get a taste of its reality, they will soon reject it.


Nothing suggests that this is an Islamist movement.

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 Post subject: Re: Egypt
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northway wrote:
Ciarán wrote:
Down with Mubarak! If the Egyptians want an Islamist form of government, let them lay their own bed. Once they get a taste of its reality, they will soon reject it.


Nothing suggests that this is an Islamist movement.


Not yet - but the Brotherhood is starting to have more of a role. Basically any movement like this carries the risk of a vacuum that could be filled by several different types of groups and might not be democratic. Probably the main reason the Administration is treading a little lightly here.


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