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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:45 pm 
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If you think its only Fox showing propaganda, you are sadly, sadly mistaken. It's every news program, every channel.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:20 pm 
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Thanks for presenting facts and a good argument instead of just throwing away my post without any sort of attempt at productive discussion. *sarcasm*

Your continued insistence on repeatedly refuted false equivalences hardly makes for productive discussion.

Here's an illuminating New York Magazine article about Roger Ailes, the Fox News kingmaker.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:48 pm 
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There's an underlying foolishness in the whole "controversy" that Stewart brings out and that's the notion that hip hop
lyrics alone are to be taken as literal representations of who the artist is.

No one seriously believed that Johnny Cash advocated killing someone just to watch them die.

None other than Don Imus, certainly no liberal, made the point a long time ago that no one comes up with this manufactured outrage over all the sordid tales portrayed in country music.

But Fox is playing to a demographic that is susceptible to the narrative of young black men presenting an intimidating persona (and Common doesn't necessarily even fit that description)

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:59 pm 
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hotlyds87 wrote:
Thanks for presenting facts and a good argument instead of just throwing away my post without any sort of attempt at productive discussion. *sarcasm*

Your continued insistence on repeatedly refuted false equivalences hardly makes for productive discussion.

Here's an illuminating New York Magazine article about Roger Ailes, the Fox News kingmaker.


New York Magazine - certainly a completely unbiased source. This is my ultimate point - that nearly everyone in the media has a political agenda. I'm sure some (CNN, as far as I can tell) at least attempt to present things in a balanced way. But the idea of journalists with agendas is not a new development. To claim that Fox News is this fringe, wildly subjective organization in a sea of objective journalism just proves that you let your own disagreements with Fox's politics cloud your critical thinking.

Also - Fox gets better ratings than most other cable shows. Which is the goal of all cable shows, including news. So really, they are completely succeeding. That says a lot more about the American public and less about Fox itself. Certainly no one is forced to watch the channel.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:20 pm 
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So you think anything should be able to call itself news without any obligation to actually present things with journalistic integrity, so long as they are meeting their basic goal of boosting ratings?

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:56 pm 
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You're right. Fox News is not a fringe, wildly subjective organization in a sea of objective journalism. Fox New is a completely non-objective propaganda machine devoid of any journalism whatsoever, poisoning the well of political dialogue.. in a sea of only marginally non-objective journalism.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 3:59 pm 
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So you think anything should be able to call itself news without any obligation to actually present things with journalistic integrity, so long as they are meeting their basic goal of boosting ratings?


Sure they "should" do that. These cable news channels "should" also not fearmonger and obsess about Charlie Sheen and Kim Kardashian. But they are going to do whatever brings in viewers, because that's how they stay in business. I have a much bigger problem with the success/ratings of the E! and MTV (which I admittedly watch sporadically) because at least Fox is talking about real issues, even if they are biased.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:37 pm 
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An increasing number of small businesses I frequent have TVs in their waiting room or dining room and a remarkable number of the TVs are tuned to Fox News Channel.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:07 am 
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hotlyds87 wrote:
Sure they "should" do that. These cable news channels "should" also not fearmonger and obsess about Charlie Sheen and Kim Kardashian. But they are going to do whatever brings in viewers, because that's how they stay in business. I have a much bigger problem with the success/ratings of the E! and MTV (which I admittedly watch sporadically) because at least Fox is talking about real issues, even if they are biased.

Real issues like Common going to the White House?

Fox News doesn't "talk" about anything. They propagandize. The fact that so many people watch them attests to just how good they are at doing it. And that is a frightening commentary on American society.

And no, the other networks are not doing the same thing, no matter how many times you insist (without any proof, of course) that they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:40 pm 
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i no longer follow cable news, too much nastiness, sensationalism, bias

these shows like Hannity, Ed Schultz are mere theatre and Orwellian drills for the masses, getting people riled up


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:52 pm 
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The problem is the line between talk and news has blurred. No fact checking, just a means to circumvent quality news reporting...present it as news and if anyone balks at accuracy, it is a talk show.

The further problem is that the edges of the political spectrum are dominant right now, and centrist views are given short shrift.

That Michael Moore and Sarah Palin are considered potential expert panelists for news programs is laughable.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart exposes Fox News hypocrisy, again
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:06 am 
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The problem is the line between talk and news has blurred. No fact checking, just a means to circumvent quality news reporting...present it as news and if anyone balks at accuracy, it is a talk show.

I'm pretty sure that Fox insists that their news shows are "fair and balanced" news shows - even while their news director dictates how everyone on the network is supposed to give this "fair and balanced" news a conservative spin.

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The further problem is that the edges of the political spectrum are dominant right now, and centrist views are given short shrift.

The radical right is dominant now, but where's the radical left? Major conservative politicians and a plurality of conservatives are embracing policies once held only by far right groups like the John Birch Society. In 2009, the RNC proposed a conservative candidate purity test that even St. Ronald would have failed. And if a Republican goes against the party line, he has to go on the Rush Limbaugh show and apologize.

Meanwhile, Democrats are enacting laws (the 2009 stimulus, the Affordable Care Act) that look like things 1990s Republicans would have proposed. And who are the demagogues on the left? What liberals are dictating partywide policy?

There is no such thing as the political center. Self-proclaimed political centrists don't actually hold any policy views, but instead base the desirability of any particular stance on whether it has bipartisan support. But in doing so they presume that left and right, like this imaginary center, are static, and they are not. For example, a so-called centrist would oppose the Affordable Care Act as being too liberal because it had zero conservative support despite the fact that many of its provisions, such as the individual mandate, were championed by prominent conservatives in the 1990s. So as conservatives move farther and farther to the right (without any corresponding movement to the left by liberals), this imagined center - in which bipartisan support is possible - must of necessity move farther and farther to the right.


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