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 Post subject: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:42 pm 
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The President said this at the White House tree lighting:

"Christ’s birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God’s love for us."

It's fair to say he:

a) actually believes it

or

b) thinks he should say it to make himself more popular with voters.


Either of these options makes me very uncomfortable.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:24 pm 
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Imagine that a politician saying something to get votes.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:18 am 
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I think we all know my political leanings after discussions with Banger and some others so I will say: cue Beck and Limbaugh slamming him for not mentioning any Bible versus at Veteran's Day, Thanksgiving, or Easter, while having his press secretary claim to quote one, which doesn't exist. After viewing European elections, some of the, what seems borderline slander or libel, in our election races is just disgusting. Partisanship is dividing our country. We need someone to bring it back together. I don't think either Obama or any Republican candidate or even discussed candidate i.e. Rubio or Christie have that ability. I mean for goodness sake a "supercommitte" fails because no one will compromise and Reid does not bring a budget to the Senate.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:48 am 
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I worked on the Obama campaign, and even then I thought the religion thing was absolutely cynical. As an agnostic, it doesn't sit particularly well with me, but I also don't think a non-believer should be automatically disqualified for office.

Also, I think Obama's blackness really forces him into a corner in terms of religion. I can't find the article at the moment, but there was recently a partial piece posted by either Ta-Nehisi Coates of the Atlantic or Andrew Sullivan wherein they discussed the pressure for blacks to enter into churches. They quoted atheist African-American Harvard students saying that they were asked what church they belonged to whenever they met another black Harvard student, and were recommended churches upon saying they didn't belong to one. If Obama didn't wear Christianity on his sleeve, his base of support would disappear rather swiftly, I think. It doesn't mean he's bad for the job.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:11 pm 
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I think the whole religion things goes for any politician, though. Because being atheist/agnostic is not the popular thing, you're not gonna find many major politicians coming out and admitting they don't believe.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:54 pm 
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dalek wrote:
I think the whole religion things goes for any politician, though. Because being atheist/agnostic is not the popular thing, you're not gonna find many major politicians coming out and admitting they don't believe.


I think with a lot of politicians the "God bless the United States of America" line at the end of every speech is kind of like wearing a flag pin on your lapel. It's easier to do it, however insincere, than it is to deal with the silliness if you don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:57 pm 
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Chico wrote:
dalek wrote:
I think the whole religion things goes for any politician, though. Because being atheist/agnostic is not the popular thing, you're not gonna find many major politicians coming out and admitting they don't believe.


I think with a lot of politicians the "God bless the United States of America" line at the end of every speech is kind of like wearing a flag pin on your lapel. It's easier to do it, however insincere, than it is to deal with the silliness if you don't.


It's true though.

On a much smaller scale, I get questioned by kids and co-workers because I stand for the pledge, but don't salute or say the actual pledge because of the words "under god." It would be much easier for me to deal with if I just sucked it up and said it, but it's one of the few issues I stand firmly behind.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:54 pm 
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I sure hope he doesn't actually believe it.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:34 pm 
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People freaked out about JFK being a Catholic. There's no way any President comes out as agnostic or atheist for a long time. I see no more reason to doubt Obama's religious faith than any other past President's. It wasn't exactly the most polarizing quote either - that quote doesn't make me uncomfortable at all and I have never seen Obama's religion pressing into his politics as it seems to with many others.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:23 pm 
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Personally, I'd prefer that a politician believes in something other than himself as a higher power. Humility is not a bad thing when you are considering sending young men and women to their potential deaths over "national interests"...

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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:42 pm 
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jdawginsc wrote:
Personally, I'd prefer that a politician believes in something other than himself as a higher power. Humility is not a bad thing when you are considering sending young men and women to their potential deaths over "national interests"...


Yes, because deeply religious leaders have generally been very cautious when sending men and women to die . . .
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 Post subject: Re: Obama and Christianity
PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:13 am 
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Good point, genmet...but I am not necessarily saying a religious person, but a humble one.

Though politicians tend to be (and have to be, to a certain extent), self absorbed, arrogant and generally consider themselves to be infallible, I think a healthy dose of humility tends to temper political fundamentalism.

It's much easier to send people to die for an idea when you are (1) "on a mission from god", and feel that your higher power sanctions actions, or (2) of the ilk that the good of the whole (in the individual's conceptualization) is worth the lives of a smaller group of persons.

Not sure I am explaining myself well, but it has lass to do with religion per se, and more to do with the humility I'd like to see in my leaders.

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