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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:32 pm 
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What I said was my opinion. Like I said I cannot explain why people would want to enact it on a federal level other than that it was opportune at the time and now is political suicide, which let's be honest is the main issue. I do not agree with either party on health care. On this issue more than any other I am a libertarian. I think a lot of this is on Americans. We have let politicians control us and tell us what to do over and over again without holding them accountable until recently on a whole. My main issue with the GOP is this: they claim to be about state's rights and small government. However, they insist on entering their business in people's lives such as with abortion. They want to pander to Christians and Evangelists at the compromise of their "core beliefs." Now, since when does a party who wants smaller government think its okay to tell people of an entire thing they can or cannot do? This to me is truly baffling. So like I said, sure, I am definitely more able to identify with the GOP party and do tend to criticize the Democrats more as I disagree with many of their policies. For healthcare, I have never supported the GOP mandate, but I was also fairly young for some of these policies, aka high school. I was still forming my opinions. But as I have said, their opinion and going against it strictly for political pause pissses me off. I hope this helps Banger, especially since we have had many heated but civil debates on political topics over the past year or so!


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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:17 am 
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I don't see how you can be libertarian on health care. Unless you're willing to leave a dying person on the side of the street due to a lack of insurance, there is no private solution (falling into the same essential services category as the police and fire departments).

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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:26 am 
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I don't see how you can be libertarian on health care. Unless you're willing to leave a dying person on the side of the street due to a lack of insurance, there is no private solution (falling into the same essential services category as the police and fire departments).

I was about to say the same thing. Libertarianism has its appeal (its defining value of freedom is a wonderful thing), but it becomes unworkable as societies become larger, denser, and more interdependent. The shortcomings of libertarianism become especially apparent when discussing healthcare. For example, Ron Paul's solution to the healthcare problem is to minimize taxes and government involvement (which for him is the solution to all problems), and as for the poor, well, doctors will treat them for free out of the kindness of their hearts. According to Paul, doctors don't do this anymore because the evil government got involved in healthcare, but if government backed off, they would do so again. Seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:53 pm 
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On pretty much any other issue I'm willing to accept the validity of the libertarian. Argument, even if I don't agree with it fully, but on this one I think the libertarian standpoint is absolute fantasy (no offense, Hilltop).

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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:36 pm 
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When I say moreso I mean more along the lines of not having the government tell you what you should and shouldn't be allowed to do. Basically, more along the lines of individual's free will to decide along with a more free market environment with people allowed to buy insurance over state lines. Basically, leave it up to the markets and people to decide.


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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:37 pm 
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I obviously should have clarified that originally, so I don't get hammered :lol: . But I should note I am not completely against everything the government provides. I was a volunteer EMT, so I do know the value of these services. Like I said, I like the free market value but that's not to say cut out everything out...


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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:40 am 
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Hilltop wrote:
When I say moreso I mean more along the lines of not having the government tell you what you should and shouldn't be allowed to do. Basically, more along the lines of individual's free will to decide along with a more free market environment with people allowed to buy insurance over state lines. Basically, leave it up to the markets and people to decide.


Buying insurance over state lines would be fine if we could truste the states not to deregulate their health care to the point that the government has to foot the bill again. As a Massachusetts resident, I can say that our system seems to be working, and the whole house would fall down the moment you opened up our market to competition with states that are less stringent with their insurers. Allowing people to buy plans across state lines might work in the short term, but eventually we will have the same problem all over again.

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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:21 pm 
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Ezra Klein (among many, many others) has discussed the problems with buying insurance across state lines. In short, allowing this would result in a race to the bottom, which would neither decrease the cost nor improve the quality of healthcare - in fact, it may do the opposite to both.

Tort reform might be a little better, but still would not make much of a difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Affordable Care Act Supreme Court
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:59 pm 
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Tort reform is an absolute necessity, IMO. I've lived under the horrors of socialized medicine in for seven years in Canada and Korea, neither of which allow people free reign to sue their doctors for minor infractions and mistakes.

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