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 Post subject: The Avengers
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:44 pm 
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Anyone seen it? Really good movie. Won't win best picture but probably the best of Marvel's comic series since the first Iron Man. Whedon did a great job directing, especially giving us back stories and layers to the characters, particularly Black Widow/Hawkeye who made cameos in IM2 and Thor, respectively. Still, he does his best work with Black Widow as Jeremy Remer's Hawkeye was one of the more underused characters. Seeing the characters bicker and banter was priceless and worth the price of admission alone. But seeing them come together and watching The Cap take control was sublime, something that never happened with Cyclops in the X-Men movies. My favorite parts of the movie wasn't even the action, which was of course rocking. Rather, the dynamics between Stark/Banner, Hulk/Thor (Banner for those who don't know comics), Romanoff/Barton (BW and Hawkeye), and finally Captain America and Iron Man. All have big, type A personalities and seeing them all trying to mesh stole the show. SPOILER: Saying good bye to a beloved charter from the previous films was heartbreaking, a great job by all the previous directors giving the audience that connection. I cannot wait for this sequel after Iron Man 3 next summer and then Captain America 2.

As for those pondering seeing it in 3-D, I say skip it. I saw it in both and the film only benefits during the action sequences at the beginning and end of the films. Almost the entire middle isn't used by the 3-D. However, see it in IMAX if possible. The screen and sounds REALLY benefit from the bigger is better mantra.


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Loved it and I usually reserve my Marvel love for Captain America (or just any title Ed Brubaker is doing). Seriously, I want my Winter Soldier story line for the Cap sequel.

3-D was fine but not necessary. The action sequences are beautifully fluid and tracking. Whedon nailed the comic book-ness of those scenes.

Black Widow in this film versus the Black Widow in Iron Man 2 further proves Whedon knows how to write kick-ass female characters without making their gender an issue. There was talk of a Black Widow origins film or just a straight up film. I agree that Hawkeye, based on circumstance, was not fully used in his badassery. Maybe him teaming up with BW again in their own film will provide more depth. There was too much stuff about their past for me not to think a film was the next step.

Be interesting to see how TDKR does at the box office and how it will be received by the public. As a fan I have accepted that Nolan's universe and concepts are not what I was raised on (like the Bat-family in the animated series vs. Batman/Bruce Wayne's isolation in the Nolan-verse) and that's all fine as long as the stories grab me. But it looks even darker and dreading which seems like par for course since this is the last film by Nolan but people have since reflected that TDK was too dark and given how fun and less stressing The Avengers was, it may further exacerbate the darkness of the film. You can take kids, the family to The Avengers, not so much TDKR (I so side-eyed parents who brought their kids to TDK).

And I would be insane not to mention just how great Bruce Banner/Hulk was for the film. Completely caught me by surprise.

I also deeply hope if Edgar Wright ever gets Ant-Man off the ground that maybe, just maybe he can appear in time for the sequel. Quixotic wish fulfillment, I know.


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:56 pm 
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I agree about Nolan's Batman franchise to an extent, Pro. I think after Schumacher gave us the albatross of Batman and Robin that someone needed to ground the franchise back into a better sense of reality. To me, D.C. Comics in many ways has been more about a certain element of realism. Obviously TDKR will be a box office success, however, I don't think there is any way it surpasses The Avengers. The Avengers' demographics are almost very diverse. Families, couples, men, women, everyone was seeing the movie. With Nolan's Batman, you really are eliminating families from that equation. But that is the difference between the current Marvel and D.C. universes. Marvel's is more playful. I remember seeing IM2 when Whiplash unleashes his drones and they're slaughtering the entire expo and thinking that all these people are dying, yet it was not shown. Same thing happened with Avengers in NYC. However, Nolan has no trouble showing that. Heck, in the the ferry scene in TDK, a mother holding a baby was a key character. I think Nolan is going for the mature crowd. Both are good movies, however, no one would confuse The Avengers with being a Best Picture nominee while The Dark Knight and possibly The Dark Knight Rises has potential.

Also, Based on his performance, I hope they do a Hulk movie again with Mark Ruffalo reprising his role.


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:02 pm 
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Saw it and loved it. Pretty awesome job.

I too would love to see a Hulk movie with Ruffalo. He was fantastic as Banner.

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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:21 am 
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No talk about the mid-credits scene? I can't express in words my excitement for what's to come. I just hope they know what they're doing 'cause there's not many places to go once you bring out the big gun...


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:53 pm 
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I enjoyed the part where Hulk punched Thor at the end of a fight sequence. Was priceless

Also the part where Thor says "He was adopted" after hearing all the things his "brother" did.

A lot of funny moments. Worth watching it for sure. If you want to have a blast with your family, take them to watch this movie. As long as the kids are over 13.

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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:12 pm 
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dalek wrote:
No talk about the mid-credits scene? I can't express in words my excitement for what's to come. I just hope they know what they're doing 'cause there's not many places to go once you bring out the big gun...



Yeah that was awesome. I didn't know whether to mention it in case of spoilers and people who didn't see it. Anyways, as far as my theatres, people gasped in excitement when they saw. Very exciting but like you said I have an air of caution regarding it. Also, many people predicted it would be Mandarin. Happy they surprised everyone with someone new.

EDIT: Now it looks like he's not going to be until Avengers 2. Does this mean Mandarin is still in play?
http://www.ifc.com/fix/2012/05/joss-whedon-kevin-feige-the-avengers-post-credits-scene


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:06 pm 
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They need to do Thanos right though. He's the ultimate badass. What they really should do is have HIM win in the 3rd one. That way, people will be dying to see the Avengers get their revenge in the 3rd one.

I'm really tired of every super hero sequel having a new bad guy. Let's have one last a couple of films and have us (the audience) really hate him and really want to see him lose.


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:35 pm 
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I can agree with you. I don't know if it would fly in The Avengers 2 since people wouldn't be able to see them lose while satisfied. However, doing it with a movie like Thor 2 would make sense to me as Thanos needs to seize the Infinity Gauntlets from Odin's vault. As they're arguably the most destructive thing in Marvel's universe (The Phoenix force in X-Men), it wouldn't make sense to have Thor and Loki, even teamed up, to beat him. That could lead to an intro into Avengers 2 where Thanos is attempting to destroy half the living beings in the universe, including Earth, and Thor needs to return to the Avengers bringing Loki this time.


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:26 pm 
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Hilltop wrote:
I can agree with you. I don't know if it would fly in The Avengers 2 since people wouldn't be able to see them lose while satisfied. However, doing it with a movie like Thor 2 would make sense to me as Thanos needs to seize the Infinity Gauntlets from Odin's vault. As they're arguably the most destructive thing in Marvel's universe (The Phoenix force in X-Men), it wouldn't make sense to have Thor and Loki, even teamed up, to beat him. That could lead to an intro into Avengers 2 where Thanos is attempting to destroy half the living beings in the universe, including Earth, and Thor needs to return to the Avengers bringing Loki this time.


Well, it can be done... Look at The Empire Strikes Back. People definitely left that satisfied and dying to see the 3rd one.

But I do actually like your idea for having it be in Thor 2. However they do it though, they need to establish Thanos' power fully.


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 Post subject: Re: The Avengers
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:15 am 
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dalek wrote:
Hilltop wrote:
I can agree with you. I don't know if it would fly in The Avengers 2 since people wouldn't be able to see them lose while satisfied. However, doing it with a movie like Thor 2 would make sense to me as Thanos needs to seize the Infinity Gauntlets from Odin's vault. As they're arguably the most destructive thing in Marvel's universe (The Phoenix force in X-Men), it wouldn't make sense to have Thor and Loki, even teamed up, to beat him. That could lead to an intro into Avengers 2 where Thanos is attempting to destroy half the living beings in the universe, including Earth, and Thor needs to return to the Avengers bringing Loki this time.


Well, it can be done... Look at The Empire Strikes Back. People definitely left that satisfied and dying to see the 3rd one.

But I do actually like your idea for having it be in Thor 2. However they do it though, they need to establish Thanos' power fully.


I never thought of it that way. ESB is also the best of the the 6 movies. If they do it right, they'll set up themselves for an epic third movie...as long as there are Ewoks.


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