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 Post subject: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:28 am 
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I must've missed an entire storyline here, but can anyone explain the whole "He doesn't care"/Texas fans booing him stuff coming off a 43 HR, .285/.354/.577 season, the second best offensive season of his career?

The storylines this morning appear to be confusing him and Delmon Young or something.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:42 pm 
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Some weird stuff was going on with him in the second half. He quit chewing tobacco, there were rumors his marriage was falling apart.... whatever it was, it was very odd. He also missed a few games with an eye problem due to excessive caffeine from energy drinks.

I wouldn't touch Hamilton at this point in his career. The guy can carry a team by himself when he's on fire, but also can hit .180 over 2 months and create rifts in the clubhouse.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:08 pm 
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The fact he has a well-documented past and even his triumphs in Texas are colored with incidents does not really help the fact he has become the scapegoat and face for the collapse of the Rangers.

I am trying to think of what team besides Texas would take him on. The big market teams except Philly seem set in the outfield- and I cannot think of a worse place for him. San Francisco (and then I think of being in that clubhouse...) or maybe Baltimore? Would Houston in its first season in the AL offer him crazy $$$ to make a splash?


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:06 pm 
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I wouldn't touch Hamilton at this point in his career. The guy can carry a team by himself when he's on fire, but also can hit .180 over 2 months and create rifts in the clubhouse.

Plus the drug addiction past, age, and already injury-prone body... I think he's next in line to be a big bust for whoever signs him.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:44 am 
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The above arguments sounded a lot like the arguments against Miggy. Talents like these are extremely rare.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:20 pm 
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The above arguments sounded a lot like the arguments against Miggy. Talents like these are extremely rare.


Except Miggy has never played fewer than 150 games, a total that Hamilton has reached just once in his career. Hamilton has only topped 130 games played three times in his six years in the majors, and one of those was only 133. He's an infinitely greater risk than a guy like Cabrera who plays every day, every year, without the little nagging injuries and ailments that have always beset Hamilton.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:50 pm 
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Miggy has a drinking problem but he is considered very unassuming about his star status, for better or worse. Hamilton has largely been a passive-aggressive figure in the press and with fans. I could never imagine Cabrera making the comments Hamilton did after the Rangers were eliminated, mainly because he would never say something that intentionally hostile. It seems the press in DFW have largely sat on that fact because of the sensitivity around Hamilton's addiction demons and his numbers outweighed the problems- until now which is a perfect storm. Washington remarks he never saw Hamilton drink coffee in his life, weird since that is like mother's milk to ballplayers, but he is sensitive to energy drinks that can be solved by eye drops only days after he missed games? I hate to think there could be more to that energy drink story.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:45 pm 
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The above arguments sounded a lot like the arguments against Miggy. Talents like these are extremely rare.

I don't see it. Cabrera was just entering his age-25 season when he was dealt and signed his long-term contract. Furthermore, he had already established himself as an elite player (18 fWAR from 2005-2007) who was just hitting his prime and played 155+ games every year. Present day Cabrera is even better and is a clear Hall of Fame talent. Hamilton, on the other hand, is going to be 32 next year and has missed plenty of games over the last four years due to various injuries (he's played 135 or more games once in that time frame). Also, outside of his insane, outlier 2010 he's been more of a great player (~4-win) than elite.

He's still a great player when healthy (if prone to huge peaks and valleys) but I wouldn't want to be the team paying him for his age-32 and beyond seasons. Maybe I'll be wrong but I see him totally falling apart after the first year or two, if not sooner.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Off-topic...I have never really looked at the career stats for Miggy...I thought he was a heck of a player, but I am astounded at his unbelievable consistency (other than in his first Detroit year which was not bad in any case) in all categories. Although his walks ping pong a bit and his K-rate has decreased, in the counting and percentage stats he is steady as they come.

Not Albert good, but pretty decently close.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:34 pm 
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Hey guys, the above was meant to discuss the narrative that somehow Hamilton collapsed, not the Rangers as a whole, and he had some sort of A-Rod-esque unclutchness thing going for him. Add in the "he doesn't care" stuff, and you would think he came off a stinker of a season.

I didn't mean to foray into the "build your case for/against Hamilton as FA" - just thought the narrative of Josh Hamilton falling apart in what was an absolute MONSTER offensive year was odd.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:53 pm 
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Plus the drug addiction past, age, and already injury-prone body... I think he's next in line to be a big bust for whoever signs him.

It's still too early to say Hamilton has busted just yet for the Angels, but boy he looks awful right now. Hat tip to this Fangraphs article for these fun factoids: he's hit as well as Jason Kubel over the past calendar year, a stretch in which he surprisingly stood healthy. If you look at just his past 5 months, which is 500+ PA, his wRC+ comes in at 96.

He was always an aggressive hitter but last year he took aggressiveness to a whole new level and it's continued into this season. Unless he makes some major adjustments and/or tones down his aggressiveness, ruh-roh.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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Plus the drug addiction past, age, and already injury-prone body... I think he's next in line to be a big bust for whoever signs him.

It's still too early to say Hamilton has busted just yet for the Angels, but boy he looks awful right now. Hat tip to this Fangraphs article for these fun factoids: he's hit as well as Jason Kubel over the past calendar year, a stretch in which he surprisingly stood healthy. If you look at just his past 5 months, which is 500+ PA, his wRC+ comes in at 96.

He was always an aggressive hitter but last year he took aggressiveness to a whole new level and it's continued into this season. Unless he makes some major adjustments and/or tones down his aggressiveness, ruh-roh.


I really don't like how the Angels built their team, and I wish only the worst upon them. If your organizational philosophy is "Who needs pitching?" you deserve whatever is coming to you.

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