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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Already some anger in baseball that Braun got only 65 games: "They gave that piece of (expletive) a deal?" one person said.


Considering a suspension for first-time would usually just be 50 games I don't see why 65 games is such a great "deal".


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:50 pm 
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wow, after all the denials. he's just another in a long line of lying dopers. disappointing.


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:50 pm 
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The fact that they had enough evidence that braun did not bother appealing- looks very strong for other involved. ie Puello.


What do you mean?


Why did Braun not bother appealing ? if the evidence was flimsy he would have for sure fought it- at least from an integrity POV.



I wonder what they have on Braun as opposed to the others though, namely Puello.

My question: Would you prefer Puello getting suspended this year or next? (assuming they were able to appeal)

I wouldn't want to put the brakes on his breakout season prematurely, but I wouldn't want him to miss time next year when he could have a shot to play in the bigs.

Also, what if he decided not to appeal and take the suspension right away and the appeals process allows other players to avoid or have reduced suspensions?

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:51 pm 
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Smart move for Braun to cut a deal considering the state of the Brewers. More Biogenesis-guilty players on non-contenders should be doing this.


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:58 pm 
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Smart move for Braun to cut a deal considering the state of the Brewers. More Biogenesis-guilty players on non-contenders should be doing this.


Smart to cut a deal and move on. The number of lies in denials, and the chain of evidence nonsense in his last go-round cannot make him someone who'll get rope this time with fans, media and his fellow players.

65 games basically splits the 50 he should have had for the first one, and 100 for this one without a failed test.

He can come back in the spring and rebuild connections.

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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:04 pm 
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Smart move for Braun to cut a deal considering the state of the Brewers. More Biogenesis-guilty players on non-contenders should be doing this.


Yup. I wish Puello would just figure his out ASAP and get it done before next year .

And to all those who thought MLB was going to lob suspensions it couldn't uphold bc of "no failed tests" - this isn't a dumb organization.

On Braun- screw him, not for using PEDs which I couldn't care less about, but got so obviously lying and throwing the credibility of others into the mud , being as big a bully as he could be, because he could hide behind technicalities and his fan favorite status. This guy deserves to go down a heck of a lot more vilified than the guys who take the brunt of the steroid-era hate.


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:08 pm 
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Braun suspension of 65 games sets a baseline for coming A-Rod suspension. And one source expects A-Rod's to be even longer.


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:12 pm 
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nmigliore wrote:
Smart move for Braun to cut a deal considering the state of the Brewers. More Biogenesis-guilty players on non-contenders should be doing this.


Yup. I wish Puello would just figure his out ASAP and get it done before next year .

And to all those who thought MLB was going to lob suspensions it couldn't uphold bc of "no failed tests" - this isn't a dumb organization.

On Braun- screw him, not for using PEDs which I couldn't care less about, but got so obviously lying and throwing the credibility of others into the mud , being as big a bully as he could be, because he could hide behind technicalities and his fan favorite status. This guy deserves to go down a heck of a lot more vilified than the guys who take the brunt of the steroid-era hate.



yep, big blow to his "great all around guy" and "face of the franchise" image I would think, tho the more these things come out the more desensitized people become to it.


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:17 pm 
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A-Rod will be a different story. MLB's case against him includes possibility he interfered with investigation. They'll go after him harder.

He is screwed.


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Friend of mine living around Chicago, but a Brewers fan...

"It's not like we actually believed him anyway; though he thinks we did. He should have to write everyone involved in the pee test chain of evidence thing an apology. That would start making me think he was sorry."

There was more, but can't post it.

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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:25 pm 
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Braun was interviewed and said he did not take any PED's although he accepts the suspension.

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: BIOGENSIS SUSPENSIONS IN ACTION-Braun
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:27 pm 
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Gee wonder what that poor courier guy is thinking

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