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 Post subject: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:32 am 
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RIP Tony.

Seeing these deaths at such young ages is a bit shocking. Sad.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:40 am 
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wasn't even aware he had cancer. way too soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:59 am 
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Wow. Shocking.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
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I heard he wasn't doing great physically, but it is still a shock to me. One of the games greatest hitters.

Seems to be we are in a season of legends of different fields leaving the scene. Maya Angelou, Ruby Davis, Kasey Kasem...and now Tony

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:47 pm 
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Guy could flat out rake. Such an easy, compact stroke, his ability to go the other way rivaled Rod Carew and Wade Boggs. Ridiculous hitting numbers.

By and large considered one of the nicest guys to play the game. Sad, just sad.

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Great stat I saw today-he had one (ONE!!!) Game in his entire career where he struck out 3 times. :shock:

Dick Enberg was on a show and said when people asked Gwynn about playing big parks, he'd say: "I might not hit home runs, but think about all that green (grass out there)."

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:19 am 
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Chico wrote:
Great stat I saw today-he had one (ONE!!!) Game in his entire career where he struck out 3 times. :shock:

Dick Enberg was on a show and said when people asked Gwynn about playing big parks, he'd say: "I might not hit home runs, but think about all that green (grass out there)."

It was actually that he only struck out 3 times against one pitcher in one game once. Still incredible.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:35 am 
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Now can someone with an extensive knowledge of BABIP explain something to me. I understand the concept...but it's always players like Gwynn that confuse me.

Is it even an acceptable stat to use on a player like him? Does it even really apply?


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:37 am 
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#5 wrote:
Now can someone with an extensive knowledge of BABIP explain something to me. I understand the concept...but it's always players like Gwynn that confuse me.

Is it even an acceptable stat to use on a player like him? Does it even really apply?

Over a large sample size (i.e. an entire career) a high BABIP doesn't indicate luck, it indicates skill.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:46 am 
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ilikeike29 wrote:
#5 wrote:
Now can someone with an extensive knowledge of BABIP explain something to me. I understand the concept...but it's always players like Gwynn that confuse me.

Is it even an acceptable stat to use on a player like him? Does it even really apply?

Over a large sample size (i.e. an entire career) a high BABIP doesn't indicate luck, it indicates skill.


I understand the basic workings, but that's not entirely true. His 94 season was an abnormally lucky season for him. Same could be said about 87. Not saying it's not because he's not good, but just more balls finding open spaces.

I'm just asking, is there an argument to even use BABIP for a player like Gwynn? It seems that almost EVERY year his BABIP was just so high that he almost "defied" the rule that BABIP is used to measure luck (early, not over a long period of time if that BABIP stays the course)


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I understand the basic workings, but that's not entirely true. His 94 season was an abnormally lucky season for him. Same could be said about 87. Not saying it's not because he's not good, but just more balls finding open spaces.

I'm just asking, is there an argument to even use BABIP for a player like Gwynn? It seems that almost EVERY year his BABIP was just so high that he almost "defied" the rule that BABIP is used to measure luck (early, not over a long period of time if that BABIP stays the course)

For individual stretches or even seasons, sure.

If a guy like Lucas Duda (career .294 BABIP) all of a sudden hits for a .340 BABIP next year, he's probably getting quite a bit lucky and his numbers are a bit inflated. If David Wright (career .340 BABIP) hits for that same .340 BABIP, he's likely not getting any luck, good or bad, and his stats are very legitimate.

Gwynn might have had certain seasons where he got lucky and certain seasons where he got unlucky, but overall you assume it evens out.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Gwynn passes away at 54.
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ilikeike29 wrote:
#5 wrote:
I understand the basic workings, but that's not entirely true. His 94 season was an abnormally lucky season for him. Same could be said about 87. Not saying it's not because he's not good, but just more balls finding open spaces.

I'm just asking, is there an argument to even use BABIP for a player like Gwynn? It seems that almost EVERY year his BABIP was just so high that he almost "defied" the rule that BABIP is used to measure luck (early, not over a long period of time if that BABIP stays the course)

For individual stretches or even seasons, sure.

If a guy like Lucas Duda (career .294 BABIP) all of a sudden hits for a .340 BABIP next year, he's probably getting quite a bit lucky and his numbers are a bit inflated. If David Wright (career .340 BABIP) hits for that same .340 BABIP, he's likely not getting any luck, good or bad, and his stats are very legitimate.

Gwynn might have had certain seasons where he got lucky and certain seasons where he got unlucky, but overall you assume it evens out.


Right, that's what I mean. I understand the concept of it completely.

I was just having a discussion with a buddy of mine about Gwynn earlier. I basically said Gwynn "defied" the rule of BABIP. He always hit for a ridiculously high BABIP. A 5 year stretch even that was out of hand.

Would you (or anyone for that matter) basically say using BABIP for a guy like Gwynn is more or less useless?


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