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 Post subject: Adam Jones protest comments - honest question
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:27 am 
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In light of Adam Jones stating that baseball is a "white man's sport" in explaining why no baseball players have protested the national anthem, what's stopping Jones from protesting? He's signed for another two years, it's not as if he's a free agent who could be driven from the game (which is apparently what he thinks will happen if anyone protests). His complaint just seems a bit odd to me given that he could so obviously be baseball's Kaepernick - especially when MLB players have so much more job security than their NFL counterparts.

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 Post subject: Re: Adam Jones protest comments - honest question
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:51 pm 
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Isn't baseball just as much a Caribbean man's sport as a white man's sport? I don't even understand the comment. But like you said, he would potentially lose endorsements with a protest but he'd still get plenty of $$ in FA.


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 Post subject: Re: Adam Jones protest comments - honest question
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:10 pm 
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My understanding is that baseball endorsements really aren't worth much anyway, which is why you frequently see minor stars - like Adam Jones - schilling for car dealerships and steakhouses. Moreover, if we're talking endorsements, I don't see how MLB players are any more likely to lose them than NFL players are.

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 Post subject: Re: Adam Jones protest comments - honest question
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:38 am 
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Thought about how to answer this. As to "what's stopping him from protesting", it's a hard thing to do. It takes a lot of guts to do what Kap has done and (maybe not as much but still quite a bit, the 11 (and counting) NFL players who've joined him, and Megan Rapinoe. Agree with him or not, what Kap's done takes a lot of guts cause he's getting called every name in the book, called out by cops, by people in the media, by Donald Trump. So it goes beyond guaranteed contracts, there's also his next contract, there's the possibility of being traded, of being ostracized in the locker room. There's also the problem of, agreeing with his cause but not his method. I support black lives matter. 100%, but I would never kneel during the national anthem cause, (and this is the case with Kap too), all the attention is on what he's doing, not why he's doing it. His protest has gotten lots of attention, but NOT on the thing he wants to draw attention to.

So, it's a tough call for anyone to join him. Defending him - sure, but joining him. That's a hard thing to do. I think Adam Jones has reasons that go beyond baseball being "white" or "mostly white", for not joining him. With that in mind, I don't think what he said was smart cause it wasn't entirely true.

But I also think it's not entirely false. I'd guess (and I have no way of verifying this), but I'm guessing, Kap has support in his locker-room. His teammates have his back. I'm not sure, if a black player did this in baseball, if his teammates would really support him, and if that's the case, then Jones isn't wrong.

So on the scale of "things he probably shouldn't have said", I'd give Jones an 8 our of 10 on the foot in mouth scale, but on the "well, he's actually partially right", He actually scores OK cause he might be partially right.

if 8% of baseball is black-American (not black or Hispanic Caribean/south American, etc), and there's 30 players on a team (in sept), x 30 teams. 900x8% = 72 protest candidates in lockerrooms that are more white than black, with coaches that are more white than black.

Football is far more racially mixed. (55 players on a roster? not sure, x 32 teams), 1,600 and about 1/2 of them black. There's 10 times as many black football players as black baseball, and the lockerrooms are far more diverse, arguably more friendly and even with hundreds of black football players, only 12 have so far kneeled or raise a hand, about 2%. People don't want to kneel during the Anthem, it's a hard thing to do. It's a tough protest to make and it is probably easier to do in football than baseball.

So, . . . I don't think he's entirely wrong. I do think he looks a little foolish for what he said, though. Not the smartest thing to say cause it implies that people want to protest but are afraid to, which might even be true, but it's not a great thing to say case nobody ends up looking good with that kind of statement.

I wish Kap's statement would generate more dialogue, and I don't see that. I just see people hardening their resolve against him.

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 Post subject: Re: Adam Jones protest comments - honest question
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:22 pm 
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African Americans are going where the money is. His comments are way off base. Nba contracts are more lucrative and they can get to the big show straight out of college unlike in baseball where you will toil the minors.

A guy like Jackie Robinson would probably be in the NFL


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