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 Post subject: Justin Morneau for MVP
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:30 pm 
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I don't care what the "Jeter Cheerleaders" (Aka ESPN and NY media) say, IMO, Morneau is the MVP of the American League. There is no player in the league that has carried his team as much as Morneau, that is the definition of the MVP.

To round out the top 3:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:34 pm 
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I remember more then a month into the season, Morneau was still available in all fantasy leagues, so to compile the numbers he has in the amount of time he's done it while being the main producer in an offense that without him would be 10gb at this point, yes he is the MVP.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:19 pm 
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And he has virtually no protection in that lineup. He's been a huge reason why they are where they are. He's gotta be the MVP. I'd give it to Jeter before I give it to Ortiz. A DH should never be MVP.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:24 pm 
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Why is it that in the AL, there is always the debate as to whether or not a DH can be MVP...

Yet in the NL, everyone thinks Ryan Howard is the MVP, yet he would actually be a much more productive player overall if he were a DH and never set foot on the field?

Meanwhile, Pujols and Beltran are pretty much the best defenders at their positions in the NL...

Hmmm....


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:27 pm 
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MetsLackey wrote:
Why is it that in the AL, there is always the debate as to whether or not a DH can be MVP...

Yet in the NL, everyone thinks Ryan Howard is the MVP, yet he would actually be a much more productive player overall if he were a DH and never set foot on the field?


I just really hate the DH. It provides as unfair advantage to teams in the AL and even more to teams with a high payroll flexibility. It takes away from strategy and matchups too. I know it's never going away, but I don't think it should be around.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:35 pm 
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MetsLackey wrote:
Why is it that in the AL, there is always the debate as to whether or not a DH can be MVP...

Yet in the NL, everyone thinks Ryan Howard is the MVP, yet he would actually be a much more productive player overall if he were a DH and never set foot on the field?

Meanwhile, Pujols and Beltran are pretty much the best defenders at their positions in the NL...

Hmmm....

Being able to produce that level while suffering the everyday wear-and-tear on the field is much more impressive than doing it sitting in the dugout and coming out only for your four at-bats everyday. Aside from the quality of the defense, the fact that the manager can use somebody else in that DH role (either to give the player a day off, or use a veteran who can't play the field everyday and still hit effectively) is enough value to give a poor 1B consideration over a DH.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:47 pm 
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Morneau then Dye a few steps behind, no one else even belongs on the ballot.

As for the NL, tough call between Pujols and Howard. Howard has had a remarkable second half - I think his OPS is around 1.300 since the break.
Still gotta give it to Pujols if for no other reason than Howard's BA w/ RISP is .240 and Pujols is .397.

Yes, .397

That's no joke.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:53 pm 
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dew wrote:
MetsLackey wrote:
Why is it that in the AL, there is always the debate as to whether or not a DH can be MVP...

Yet in the NL, everyone thinks Ryan Howard is the MVP, yet he would actually be a much more productive player overall if he were a DH and never set foot on the field?

Meanwhile, Pujols and Beltran are pretty much the best defenders at their positions in the NL...

Hmmm....

Being able to produce that level while suffering the everyday wear-and-tear on the field is much more impressive than doing it sitting in the dugout and coming out only for your four at-bats everyday. Aside from the quality of the defense, the fact that the manager can use somebody else in that DH role (either to give the player a day off, or use a veteran who can't play the field everyday and still hit effectively) is enough value to give a poor 1B consideration over a DH.


Well wouldn't that simply be a credit to the tenacity of the player?

Not trying to pick a fight with you obviously, but what does a player's ability to deal with wear and tear have to do with his overall productivity in a given baseball season?

If a 5'9" 180 lb. NFL running back rushes for 1200 yards on 200 carries, and another NFL running back - this one 6'1" 240 and "more durable" - rushes for 1000 yards on 300 carries, who is the more valuable running back?

Sure, the more durable guy gives you more carries... But the smaller, less durable guy does more to help your team win.

I know that's not the best analogy becuase football and baseball are so different, but I still feel it's relevant.


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deeroq wrote:
Morneau then Dye a few steps behind, no one else even belongs on the ballot.

As for the NL, tough call between Pujols and Howard. Howard has had a remarkable second half - I think his OPS is around 1.300 since the break.
Still gotta give it to Pujols if for no other reason than Howard's BA w/ RISP is .240 and Pujols is .397.

Yes, .397

That's no joke.


I strongly disagree. I think the MVP should be between Beltran, Pujols, and Miguel Cabrera with Pujols in the lead and Beltran and Cabrera tied for 2nd. I don't even think Howard should be 3rd.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:56 pm 
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The Big Hurt.

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Nutsacjac wrote:
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The Big Hurt.


Hafner>Thomas


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:58 pm 
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Kostas X wrote:

Hafner>Thomas


Hafner's team is 10 games under .500, Thomas' team is 24 games over .500.

These sort of things count.

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