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 Post subject: Belichick rolls the dice in Indy
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:55 am 
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It probably won't hurt him since the Jets can't win a close game.

But wow. That was an unbelievably reckless decision to go for it on 4th down inside his own 30 with a 6-pt lead.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:08 am 
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I really can't comprehend that one.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:29 am 
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There are other coaches who would be fired for that decision.


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I wonder if it sent a negative message to his defense that they couldn't stop manning.

Was quite a game; the colts looked whipped and outclassed after the 3rd quarter.

And Rodney Harrison's critique of his former coach was bold..and honest


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I think the timeout usage was just as much in question as the decision itself. Why are the Pats calling timeout before the drive even started? Then why burn a timeout between 3rd and 4th down?

I thought the Pats were going to fake bringing the punt team out and instead quickly rush the offense back out there to line up to go for it. That would have undoubtedly left the Colts scrambling and odds are they would have had to burn their final timeout (probably would have had 18 guys on the field). At that point the Pats would have just punted it away, leaving the Colts to march down the length of the field without a timeout to win the game.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:37 am 
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I think the timeout usage was just as much in question as the decision itself. Why are the Pats calling timeout before the drive even started? Then why burn a timeout between 3rd and 4th down?

I thought the Pats were going to fake bringing the punt team out and instead quickly rush the offense back out there to line up to go for it. That would have undoubtedly left the Colts scrambling and odds are they would have had to burn their final timeout (probably would have had 18 guys on the field). At that point the Pats would have just punted it away, leaving the Colts to march down the length of the field without a timeout to win the game.


The timeout before the drive was because they had the wrong personnel on the field for the play that was called.

I like the decision, you're offense had been doing well all night, your defense is gassed, two yards to win the game. A half of yard more and he's a genius.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:16 pm 
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No half-a-yard more and you win a game that you're already likely to win if you DON'T go for it there.

The decision basically shifted the Pats from heavily favored to win to either guaranteed win or heavily favored to lose in 3 seconds. Punting there keeps them heavily favored to win.

The payoff was not worth the risk. The punt wastes the 2 minute warning (as the clock would stop on change of posession anyway) and now you're basically looking at a scenario for the Colts akin to the Jets-Pats at Foxboro last year: even in the worse case scenario (aka your defense gives ridiculous cushions and stops pash rushing), you need a somewhat miraculous throw and catch at the end to do it.


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It was a risky call, but I understand it.

The Patriots converted 4th and shorts at like a 75%+ rate since 2007. Hey, it didn't work out and he gave Manning a short field, but to hear him be lambasted like this is pure results based analysis.

If I were a coach, I would have punted and make Manning travel the length of the field, but the Pats are good on 4th and shorts and a first wins the game there. They didn't make it, so he'll get killed in the media, but I understand.

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No one would defend it if it was someone other than Belichick making the call.

That said, if they had made the yards he'd be praised to the high heavens for having the nerve of a cat burglar.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:26 pm 
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OK move

2 ways to win

Francssa provided hilarity on today's airwaves re the matter

I'd nevr get through to his show, but would have had this to say:

1) Why is it a given Manning gets a TD from the Pats 29?

2) How is it insulting your defense when you feel you still can stop them from the 29? (Again - belly knew - 2 ways to win)

3) How is it you did not lambaste Shanahan - who you LOVE - some years back when he went for 2 and the win - with no time left? (There Shanny just has the one way to win - it's truly do or die - where Belly's move wasnt)


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There are two moments that could show a pattern that this is just a 'Mad Scientist' move:

The 4th and long conversion that failed and basically was a broken play from the snap in the Super Bowl.

The snapper against Denver on MNF letting the snap go airborne on purpose to give Denver a safety as the punt was deep in the endzone. Difference of course was this play worked because BB trusted his defense to stop and they of course won this game coming back from a deficit.

Lesson learned in these three examples: Only do crazy when you trust your defense.


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Chico wrote:
There are other coaches who would be fired for that decision.


Mister Mary Mornhinweg:

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The most notable moment in Mornhinweg's coaching history was his decision, coaching Detroit, to kick after winning an overtime coin toss. Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important for his Lions to win the game against the Chicago Bears, despite having as his kicker Jason Hanson, who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University. He elected to kick and on the Bears opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal. Mornhinweg's Lions went on to become 3-13 after that game, and prompted fed-up Lions fans to refer to the coach as "Marty Moron-weg".


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