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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:27 am 
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Look it was a big play and important to the game (and if you want to expand, sure, the season). I'm just saying it wasn't a great individual effort. He was the guy who was there and he made the tackle. But it wasn't a difficult play, and if some other guy was in the game or he was playing the other side or whatever, it still would've been made. Having Jason Taylor on the team didn't cause that play to happen.

It'd be like saying Nick Folk was totally worth it because he made that 32 yarder to win it in the dome against Indy. Great. Every NFL kicker makes that FG...it wasn't because Nick Folk was here that they made that kick (although I guess you could argue that Folk is so bad and they had so little confidence in him that it 'forced' them to be aggressive, allowing the back shoulder fade to happen, versus playing it safe and trying a 47 yarder or so...so in the reverse, I guess that was big).


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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:31 am 
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I agree with most of what you said, MJ, but the safety was very important. No safety and it is 20-17 and the Steelers can kick a field goal instead of turning the ball over on downs.


Not fair to play this game, cuz the events of the rest of the game would be different if the score is 20-17 versus 22-17. The safety itself didn't win the game...it made the lead more cushiony, but they already had the lead at the time. Who's to say that if they just stop them 3 and out there, they get great field position and don't kick a FG instead and win 23-17? Or who's to say they don't put more pressure on Ben earlier in that late drive and not let him get down to the 20. Lots of woulda-shoulda's. The safety was an important play in the game, but it did not WIN the game for the Jets. And even more so, it did not SAVE the season. Thats hyperbole at its best.


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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:23 pm 
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draft a real pass rusher.


Rex said he will if you would only change your avatar. :P


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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:48 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
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I agree with most of what you said, MJ, but the safety was very important. No safety and it is 20-17 and the Steelers can kick a field goal instead of turning the ball over on downs.


Not fair to play this game, cuz the events of the rest of the game would be different if the score is 20-17 versus 22-17. The safety itself didn't win the game...it made the lead more cushiony, but they already had the lead at the time. Who's to say that if they just stop them 3 and out there, they get great field position and don't kick a FG instead and win 23-17? Or who's to say they don't put more pressure on Ben earlier in that late drive and not let him get down to the 20. Lots of woulda-shoulda's. The safety was an important play in the game, but it did not WIN the game for the Jets. And even more so, it did not SAVE the season. Thats hyperbole at its best.


I never said it won the game or it saved the season. I said it was very important because it made the Steelers go for the end zone at the end of the game rather than a field goal. Nothing more than that. Nothing less than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:59 pm 
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MikeH wrote:
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I agree with most of what you said, MJ, but the safety was very important. No safety and it is 20-17 and the Steelers can kick a field goal instead of turning the ball over on downs.


Not fair to play this game, cuz the events of the rest of the game would be different if the score is 20-17 versus 22-17. The safety itself didn't win the game...it made the lead more cushiony, but they already had the lead at the time. Who's to say that if they just stop them 3 and out there, they get great field position and don't kick a FG instead and win 23-17? Or who's to say they don't put more pressure on Ben earlier in that late drive and not let him get down to the 20. Lots of woulda-shoulda's. The safety was an important play in the game, but it did not WIN the game for the Jets. And even more so, it did not SAVE the season. Thats hyperbole at its best.


I never said it won the game or it saved the season. I said it was very important because it made the Steelers go for the end zone at the end of the game rather than a field goal. Nothing more than that. Nothing less than that.


That was directed at the original point made about how that play made Jason Taylor worth his whole year, made by a different poster. Sorry for the confusion.


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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:00 pm 
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Bottom line is Jets have a huge number of personnel decisions to make this offseason and need to get a bit sophisticated with the numbers to make it all work. Jason Taylor, I think, is the easiest call they have to make. Don't even really think there's much to discuss there. And I'll be happy when they do and he has to put his tail between his legs and beg the Fins to sign him to a 1 day contract so he can retire with "dignity".

Again, good riddance.


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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:42 pm 
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Nutsacjac wrote:
Image

A picture(or gif, as it were) speaks a thousand words.

Rex knows. They let it all slip away.


I beg to differ. The Steelers played a very passive game on purpose in the second half. hey had a big lead and did not want to give up the game by being caught out of place etc. which to me was a bad move for them but they turned it on when they needed to.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:44 pm 
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Steve The Original wrote:
Azmetaholic wrote:
draft a real pass rusher.


Rex said he will if you would only change your avatar. :P


Why he keeps looking at the feet of the sculpture? BTW I am a Steelers fan.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:52 pm 
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Azmetaholic wrote:

I beg to differ. The Steelers played a very passive game on purpose in the second half. hey had a big lead and did not want to give up the game by being caught out of place etc. which to me was a bad move for them but they turned it on when they needed to.


What happened in the second half was irrelevant: the game was lost when Rex did not have his team ready to play in the first half. Totally unacceptable for multiple players to say your team is flat with a SB berth on the line.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:13 pm 
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Nutsacjac wrote:
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I beg to differ. The Steelers played a very passive game on purpose in the second half. hey had a big lead and did not want to give up the game by being caught out of place etc. which to me was a bad move for them but they turned it on when they needed to.


What happened in the second half was irrelevant: the game was lost when Rex did not have his team ready to play in the first half. Totally unacceptable for multiple players to say your team is flat with a SB berth on the line.


I am sure they weren't saying that during the game. They were out played. the last time the Steelers and the Jets met the Steelers ran the ball well against them and held the Jets to a very low amount of yards. Pretty much the same deal without the kickoff return.

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 Post subject: Re: Jets 2010 IST
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:14 pm 
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WAYYYY too early to start discussing targets, but I saw this article and this is a guy that intrigues me. Tons of hype coming into this year, didn't produce (seemingly just couldn't escape Martz' doghouse), but very physically gifted.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/20 ... fense.html

Maybe a potential "Braylon replacement" on the cheap if they decide to go all in on resigning Holmes? Coming down the stretch, I started thinking that maybe Braylon is the guy I'd put more effort into resigning just because Sanchez tends to get his throws up, but I also think he's the more "replaceable" talent, and he's a little scary to give big money to (more bust factor there I think).

I really don't know how I would play the WR issue...and obviously we need a new CBA for some guidance here. But just a thought, for now.


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