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 Post subject: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:53 pm 
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He's a moron. How do you throw it on 2nd and 3rd? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:00 am 
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I've been saying this for 5 years. The look of bewilderment on 1st and goal typified the Brian Scottenheimer offensive era.

Make no mistake: with the personnel this offense has, it should be FEARED. Top 2 or 3 in football. Instead, its viewed as a liability and if it ever does something well, its viewed as some huge accomplishment. Huh?

Can't understand how his name holds so much weight. But its not going to happen, so I'd stop calling for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:41 am 
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I mean... how can you watch this team's last 2 possessions today and not come away thinking "Uh... whoever runs dis offense is just uttahly lawst. Get oudda heah!"

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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:44 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
I mean... how can you watch this team's last 2 possessions today and not come away thinking "Uh... whoever runs dis offense is just uttahly lawst. Get oudda heah!"


It wasn't the last 2 possessions that annoy me. Its having 20 yards of offense in the first half that does. Too many times, they have "give away" drives of nothingness, and when the Steelers were chewing up clock and moving the chains today, just couldn't do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:58 am 
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Meh. The last 2 possessions are ones they had chances to win it/tie it with any competence.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:01 am 
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I don't really have that big of a problem with Schotty. If I had one gripe, it'd be nursing Sanchez along early in these games. On one hand, it's probably a good idea with a 2nd year QB, but when you're calling a conservative game while the Steelers are steamrolling the defense it looks pretty bad.

I think the Jets have a chance to have a dynamic offense next year. Sanchez is the goods. This playoff run will go a long way towards solidifying his confidence.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:21 am 
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sluger, no offense, but did you watch the last 2 drives?

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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:32 am 
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Guys, maybe you should watch terrible football teams for a whole season before demanding the OC be fired after losing the AFC Championship, k? From an outsiders perspective, this reads like a spilled milk crying festival.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:44 am 
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I don't think firing the OC solves anything. I think it's been made clear that continuity is the best thing for franchises; do you think having Sanchez learn an entirely new offense is a good idea when you want to compete for a championship next year?

Schottenheimer makes questionable calls, but I can live with him. The problem is the Jet front 7 is either old, slow or unathletic. Look at the Pittsburgh front 7 then look at the Jets. It's a stark comparison.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:02 am 
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Nutsacjac wrote:
The problem is the Jet front 7 is either old, slow or unathletic. Look at the Pittsburgh front 7 then look at the Jets. It's a stark comparison.


This is the problem though.

If you really look at the names, and not just deal with preconceived notions, the Jets have more talent on the offensive side of the ball than on the defensive side. However, nobody really looks at the Jets in that manner because their defense is so well-coached, well-schemed, and makes great in-game adjustments, sans the one Pats game. I don't think its been talked about enough, but as bad as the first half was, the Jets held the Steelers to, I believe, 3 completions (2 on that last drive which were backbreakers, but that was backyard football there getting the QB scrambling and somebody just get open) and 18 rushing yards.

But yet the offense is viewed as this liability, "just got to not lose the game", anytime there is a positive play we feel the need to defend Schotty...this isn't the Kevan Barlow, Chad Pennington, Cedric Houston team we're dealing with here. The problem is that despite the defenses limitations physically and athletically, they're fantastic in game. And despite the offense's weapons and explosive potential, they're often dreadful early (not counting the Buffalo game, the Chicago game was really the only good start the offense got off to since maybe the Texans game? And then the Broncos before that?). Inexcusable. And thats coaching. Rex and Pettine coach the defense up to be better than the sum of its parts...the offense is FAR less than the sum of its parts.

I don't think you need to bring in a Mike Martz-type offensive czar and completely change the system. I do think you need someone better than Schotty at calling plays, scripting the beginning of the game (or do away with this altogether, but the fact that they're so bad early, and we know they script the first 30 or so plays, is a disaster), and making adjustments based on the flow of the game. Maybe thats as simple as promoting Bill Callahan; I don't know. But not recognizing that running LT into the teeth of the Steelers defense is just asinine boggles my mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:07 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
sluger, no offense, but did you watch the last 2 drives?


Yeah. I saw the Jets offense methodically pick apart the Steeler defense, all while not having any communication with its sideline (another reason why home field advantage is so important).

It's easy to say they should have run when they passed and passed when they run. The Steelers do have a terrific run defense. Casey Hampton, Ziggy Hood, Lawrence Timmons, James Farrior...these are some of the the best run stuffers in the league. The biggest issue I had was the 2nd down play (scrambling to get it off) - but let's be honest, Dustin Keller has to make that catch.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire the OC
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:02 pm 
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I don't think you need to bring in a Mike Martz-type offensive czar and completely change the system. I do think you need someone better than Schotty at calling plays, scripting the beginning of the game (or do away with this altogether, but the fact that they're so bad early, and we know they script the first 30 or so plays, is a disaster), and making adjustments based on the flow of the game. Maybe thats as simple as promoting Bill Callahan; I don't know. But not recognizing that running LT into the teeth of the Steelers defense is just asinine boggles my mind.


The problem is Ryan loves Schotty and pretty much gives him carte blanche to run the offense(IIRC, Ryan basically tells Brian whether he wants to run or pass, but he's very hands off). If you don't like Schottenheimer, by proxy you have a problem with Ryan because he's ultimately responsible for the whole team.

They're not going to fire Schottenheimer coming off two AFCCG appearances with a very young, inexperienced QB and quite frankly I think it would be foolhardy to do so.

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