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 Post subject: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:08 pm 
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(aka the Prospectus thread)

Figured, I'd start a thread. Nice to talk about something other than the lockout. Admittedly, I don't know much about the draft, except for some stuff I read up on. Is it considered a good draft? The Giants are looking at an OT and it seems like there are a good amount to pick from.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:03 am 
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Aw, I feel honored. I am interning in DC aka the heart of Redskins country.

I really am not that invested in what the selections are early on (unless there is a massive reach) as in years past. Blame it on the strange fact FA after, not before the draft. If the NFL Draft is my Christmas, then FA is really the post-Thanksgiving Holliday shopping spree and anticipation. Its absence, although I have no real strong opinions on what the Giants should do (well except with Brandon Jacobs) I really feel like something is missing. Dan Snyder must be on the verge of a Scanners-like combustion.

If Castonzo or Carimi there, I think they are taking him. If not and say Mark Ingram and Nate Solder are both there, then the decision becomes very interesting.

I know there is a lot of talk about the other Pouncey twin, and yes it would be 'cute' if we had another half of NFL brothers on the team, but it looks like Pouncey may be gone which is interesting since I was never sold he was that much better than Maurkice.

I really like Liuget but his stock is rising which is interesting if perhaps Nick Fairley, who is dropping,is taken after him. I would trade up if that situation happened but that has not been Jerry Reese's MO, he usually has confidence there is a good player to be had no matter where the team is picking.

Anyway, at this rate I think the ideal pick is Anthony Castonzo of Boston College. The position, the school and that school's relationship with the Giants and Tom Coughlin- I think it makes way too much sense but Castonzo could be picked up right before the pick at #19.

Picks for the board:
OT Anthony Castonzo, BC
OT Nate Solder, Colorado
OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
DT Corey Liuget, Illinois
RB Mark Ingram, Alabama
OC/OG Mike Pouncey, Florida

X-Factor Picks (As in if something happens in the first 18 picks that reshuffles the board of players I listed, these players get more consideration):

CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
DT Marvin Austin, UNC
OT Marcus Cannon, TCU


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:07 am 
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Here are some mock drafts from Mike Mayock and Rick Gosselin who have proven to be the most accurate prognosticators.

You cannot spell Mayock without M-O-C-K:
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1. Carolina Panthers: Cam Newton, QB Auburn

2. Denver Broncos: Von Miller, LB Texas A&M

3. Buffalo Bills: Marcel Dareus, DT Alabama

4. Cincinnati Bengals: A.J. Green, WR Georgia

5. Arizona Cardinals: Patrick Peterson, CB LSU

6. Cleveland Browns: Julio Jones, WR Alabama

7. San Francisco 49ers: Blaine Gabbert, QB Missouri

8. Tennessee Titans: Nick Fairley, DT Auburn

9. Dallas Cowboys: Tyron Smith, OT USC

10. Washington Redskins: Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

11. Houston Texans: Robert Quinn, DE North Carolina

12. Minnesota Vikings: Aldon Smith, DE Missouri

13. Detroit Lions: Anthony Castonzo, OL Boston College

14. St. Louis Rams: Corey Liuget, DT Illinois

15. Miami Dolphins: Mike Pouncey, OL Florida

16. Jacksonville Jaguars: Ryan Kerrigan, DE Purdue

17. New England Patriots: Cameron Jordan, DE California

18. San Diego Chargers: J.J. Watt, DE Wisconsin

19. New York Giants: Mark Ingram, RB Alabama

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Da'Quan Bowers, DE Clemson

21. Kansas City Chiefs: Danny Watkins, OL Baylor

22. Indianapolis Colts: Nate Solder, OL Colorado

23. Philadelphia Eagles: Gabe Carimi, OL Wisconsin

24. New Orleans Saints: Phil Taylor, DT Baylor

25. Seattle Seahawks: Marvin Austin, DT North Carolina

26. Baltimore Ravens: Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado

27. Atlanta Falcons: Adrian Clayborn, DE Iowa

28. *(Patriots trade pick): Jake Locker, QB Washington

29. Chicago Bears: Jonathan Baldwin, WR Pittsburgh

30. New York Jets: Akeem Ayers, LB UCLA

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Aaron Williams, CB Texas

32. *(Packers trade pick): Andy Dalton, QB TCU

* Mayock predicts another team will trade into these slots to take a QB


Gosselin has some interesting picks:
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1)Carolina:Cam Newton
2)Denver:Von Miller
3)Buffalo:Marcel Dareus
4)Cincinnati:AJ Green
5)Arizona:Patrick Peterson
6)Cleveland:Julio Jones
7)San Francisco:Blaine Gabbert
8)Tennessee:Jake Locker
9)Dallas:Tyron Smith
10)Washington:Christian Ponder
11)Houston:Aldon Smith
12)Minnesota:Andy Dalton
13)Detroit)Nick Fairley
14)St.Louis:Mark Ingram
15)Miami:Mike Pouncey
16)Jacksonville:Ryan Kerrigan
17)New England:Cam Jordan
18)San Diego:Cory Liuget
19)Giants:Nate Solder
20)Tampa Bay:Robert Quinn
21)Kansas City:Gabe Carimi
22)Indy:Anthony Castonzo
23)Eagles:Jimmy Smith
24)New Orleans:Adrian Clayborn
25)Seattle:Prince Amukamara
26)Baltimore:JJ Watt
27)Atlanta:Phil Taylor
28)New England:Danny Watkins
29)Chicago:Marvin Austin
30)Jets:Derrick Sherrod
31)Pittsburgh:Cam Heyward
32)Packers:Aaron Williams


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:20 pm 
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I honestly don't follow College Football at all until Big Blue drafts a guy. Then I follow the players. Looking forward.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:31 pm 
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Here are some blurbs being thrown around:

Browns and Pats allegedly in talks over swapping picks. Cleveland has the 6th overall pick. Much speculation the player could be LSU CB Patrick Peterson being the target of not just the Pats but other teams who want to trade up. Robert Quinn is also the guy heavily regarded by the Pats, allegedly (seriously this team has proven to have no MO except to have no MO).

Broncos really want Texas A&M LB Von Miller. It is slim pickings at the position after him.

Raiders really want to move back into the first round. Not that crazy. But here begins the crazy, Colin Kaepernick is the #1 QB on their board. I am beginning to think that Al Davis was locked out of the draft room b/c last year's draft was too sane for the Raiders. Kaepernick may very well be the reason why they trade up b/c his value appears to fall right into the Raiders laps in the 2nd rd.

Do not be surprised if FSU QB Christian Ponder is a 1st round pick.

Giants have done a lot of homework on Colorado OT Nate Solder. Not surprised, there always seems to be heavy scouting in the Pac 10/West Coast by this team in the Reese era.

Redskins once again enter the off-season with only a few picks but without a FA shopping spree. Mike Shannahan has also shot down any talks that the team with trade up for value picks.

Buffalo may finally go after a QB. If Gabbert/Newton are there at 3, Bills will give it a hard, long thought but it appears the QB selection will happen when they can get a team to swap picks where their new position makes the selection of say a Christian Ponder more reasonable.

Eagles also looking to trade their pick.

TCU QB Andy Dalton also being the apple in the eyes of many GMs and could be the most likely over-draft at his positon. Drew Brees comparisons being thrown around.

Colorado CB Jimmy Smith had some issues. How bad? 3 failed drug tests and an alleged addiction to codeine.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:33 pm 
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(aka the Prospectus thread)


I'll be on a few sites/forums (while watching the Met game) but yeah Prospectus' thread is a MUST READ and I'll be following. You get more info from her than many other places.

Prospectus, who do you like for the Jets (knowing you're a Giants fan) that could be there at #30? Brooks Reed? Bailey? Wilkerson ?

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:44 pm 
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I know it sounds weird to talk about specialists in a draft but I hope the Giants come out of the draft process (rounds 6-7 or rookie free agents) with a strong legged kicker. With the kickoffs now being changed to the 35-yard line and touchbacks staying at the 20, getting a guy that can boot it deep into the endzone or out of the endzone is big. Tynes does not have the strongest leg in the world and if you can pick someone up that you know will make the opposing team start at their own 20 most of the time, I think you have to do it. Coughlin might not like carrying two kickers but it just puts much less emphasis on your kick coverage teams. I know that Alex Henery (Nebraska) has a big leg. He made a 53-yarder in the Big 12 Championship that may have been good from 65+ and he made a 42-yarder in that same game that he kicked OVER the net.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:47 pm 
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Daaaarryyl wrote:
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(aka the Prospectus thread)


I'll be on a few sites/forums (while watching the Met game) but yeah Prospectus' thread is a MUST READ and I'll be following. You get more info from her than many other places.

Prospectus, who do you like for the Jets (knowing you're a Giants fan) that could be there at #30? Brooks Reed? Bailey? Wilkerson ?


I agree, she does a great job. Even though I don't post on here a lot, I always read the stuff she posts.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:03 pm 
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Daaaarryyl wrote:
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(aka the Prospectus thread)


I'll be on a few sites/forums (while watching the Met game) but yeah Prospectus' thread is a MUST READ and I'll be following. You get more info from her than many other places.

Prospectus, who do you like for the Jets (knowing you're a Giants fan) that could be there at #30? Brooks Reed? Bailey? Wilkerson ?


Not a Jets fan, but I have read Phil Taylor's name mentioned with them. 3-4 DT from Baylor.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:55 pm 
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Goodell, as expected, gets booed out of the building.

Could only quiet the crowd by pleading for a moment of silence for the tornado victims in the south...


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:15 pm 
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TrueBlue15 wrote:
Daaaarryyl wrote:
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(aka the Prospectus thread)


I'll be on a few sites/forums (while watching the Met game) but yeah Prospectus' thread is a MUST READ and I'll be following. You get more info from her than many other places.

Prospectus, who do you like for the Jets (knowing you're a Giants fan) that could be there at #30? Brooks Reed? Bailey? Wilkerson ?


Not a Jets fan, but I have read Phil Taylor's name mentioned with them. 3-4 DT from Baylor.

I like Taylor too.

I really have not been following the Jets needs. I do love Ayers as a player and fits well into the scheme of either the Ravens or Jets defense.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 NFL Draft Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:19 pm 
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Thanks for all of the feedback guys. I really do put a lot effort into this so I am glad people read it.

sluger, that is a good point about the victims especially when SEC and players from the South probably had family affected.

Ho-hum with the first two picks. Very expected. Now seeing what the Bills do will be interesting. Could be Dareus, could be a QB, could be a trade down.


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