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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:45 pm 
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Patriots receiving corps: Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Chad Ochocinco, Donte Stallworth, Anthony Gonzalez

Jets receiving corps: Holmes, Kerley, Keller, Hill ?


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:56 pm 
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The Jets waived Pitoitua today. Apparently his $950K salary was working against him.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:03 pm 
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thebull wrote:
Patriots receiving corps: Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Chad Ochocinco, Donte Stallworth, Anthony Gonzalez

Jets receiving corps: Holmes, Kerley, Keller, Hill ?


Rex finds your criticism laughable.

Also, you know we're a ground and pound team - and what team can possible matchup with a backfield of Greene, Powell, McKnight, and Ganaway!!??


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:25 am 
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I freely admit that I don't really know the ins and outs of kicking in the NFL and the best way to judge performance, especially in punting.

I had the perception, and I think its the prevalent one, that TJ Conley was AWFUL last year. Thats probably due to his 30th ranked gross average (and the only guy below him that was a regular punter was Brad Maynard; everyone else were not long for their job) and 20th net average. But urged on by the signing of Josh Brown this week and the notion that they need a new punter as well, I checked out the punting stats from last year on NFL.com and found that, surprisingly, Conley actually rated well in some areas:

-3rd in the league in punts downed inside the 20.
-First in the league in fair catches (not always a positive thing, since it could be the result of a short kick, but better that than a Matt Dodge line drive)
-gave up 0 return TDs, 0 punts blocked

These kind of play off each other, no? If he was being asked to directionally kick a lot, and apparently succeeding in it, wouldn't that affect his gross and net numbers? And leading the league in FC will hurt his gross number you would think since he's likely kicking them higher than long, but could also explain how he goes from 30th in gross to 20th in net.

I still find it hard to believe that TJ Conley was a "good" punter, but I kind of thought he was one of the worst in the league, and I think we often spoke of here about how he simply wasn't an NFL calibre leg...but maybe he might be??

I noticed Mat McBriar was a FA - he was bad then hurt last year, but lead the league in Gross and Net (yup, better than Lechler, Lee, et al.) in 2010 - might not be a bad guy to bring in to camp at least - would seemingly be the ying to Conley's directional-game yang and let Westhoff make the call which is more important.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:08 pm 
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I guess it's possible the Jets were punting from the opponent's side of the field more often than the average team (I have no idea). That would definitely result in a lower punting average and, with an skill, more punts downed inside the 20. A 30-yard punt from the opponent's 40 yard line is perfectly acceptable and will kill your punting average.

I have no idea if any of this holds any credence, but if Westhoff thought Conley was awful, I'm certain the Jets would have brought in another punter (at least as competition). I'm not counting Travis Baltz, who is probably little more than a camp body. Then again, any camp body can turn into competition if they have a lick of talent.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Conley has decent hang time and the Jets cover kicks well. So the ball is kicked short and kind of high and the Jets make the play for minimal gain.

You have to trust Westhoff. The punter he chooses works for me.

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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:24 pm 
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The punter he choses definitely doesn't work for me, considering he kicked Weatherford out the door and slammed him in a classless manner without any first-shots fired from the other end, and then Weatherford went out and kicked the crap out of his punting game all season.

Weatherford was BETTER than Conley in directional kicking in 2010, by the way (1st in NFL in inside 20; 1st in NFL in FC's)- so if the idea is that Westhoff views punting differently than just gross/net and values directional kicking, well, that doesn't hold water either from his comments on Weatherford.

I know I introduced this topic, but if Westhoff thought Weatherford's punting was bad, which he did by his comments, well then by his own measure the Jets punting game has stunk for a while. So yeah, no, Westhoff doesn't have that sort of rope with me. I am curious though how Conley is viewed outside of the fanbase/what coaches say publicly to test my theory above, but I am far from the point of "In Mike We Trust" - I just found those stats kind of curious.

Jets ranks in Gross/Net Avg:

2011: 30/20 (Conley)
2010: 23/15 (Weatherford)
2009: 28/26 (Weatherford)
2008: 25/28 (Hodges)
2007: 18/22 (Graham)

He hasn't really been picking winners for some time now.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:29 pm 
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Sparano on a conference call right now.

This was alluded to before, but Sparano confirms he sees Ganaway as an "A" back, in his two back (coincidentally called "A" and "B" backs) system, as a backup to Greene, with McKnight and Powell as "B" backs.

If you recall his time in Miami, reps were split fairly evenly until this year between 2 backs, where Bush just took off. But even then, there was an effort early to split he and Thomas.

McKnight is not really a RB - he's a gadget guy and a pretty decent receiver. I guess you hope somehow Sparano has the key to unlocking him the way he did with Bush, but thats a scary proposition to enter the year with if you're planning on running the ball the way they say they are - and that assumes Shonn Greene is all well and good, which I think is a strong assumption itself.

Remaining FA options include:

Chester Taylor – ARI
Cedric Benson – CIN
Sammy Morris – DAL
Jerome Harrison – DET
Maurice Morris – DET
Ryan Grant – GB
Derrick Ward – HOU
Joseph Addai – IND
Jackie Battle – KC
Thomas Jones – KC
Lorenzo Booker – MIN
Kevin Faulk – NE
LaDainian Tomlinson – NYJ
Ronnie Brown – PHI
Mewelde Moore – PIT
Justin Forsett – SEA
Cadillac Williams – STL
Jerious Norwood – STL
Tim Hightower – WAS


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:31 pm 
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Sparano refuses to give an answer on whether Wayne Hunter is the starting RT, only saying that he liked him in Miami 2 years ago as a FA.

For an incumbent starter with guaranteed money and no viable backup currently, thats pretty damning.

I really wonder what the heck happened in February when his contract had that guarantee clause about to come due. Could Tanny have REALLY thought Wayne was a trade chip!?


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:40 pm 
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Does Thomas Jones have anything left in the tank?

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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:40 pm 
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Chico wrote:
Does Thomas Jones have anything left in the tank?


No. 3.1 YPC.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:08 pm 
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In today's presser, Rex said Demario Davis reminds him of Ray Lewis in terms of his leadership and mannerisms and a young Bart Scott in terms of his talent on the football field.


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