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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:17 pm 
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Every dollar the Jets don't spend this season they can spend over the cap next season (they are projected to be over the cap next year, plus Revis will be looking for a new deal).

I have to say I'm pretty surprised Dixon went unclaimed. He was a solid depth lineman last year.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:42 pm 
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Well at least we now know who Aaitui is ('was', now that he's gone, I guess), if anyone else watches Hard Knocks.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:54 am 
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Well at least we now know who Aaitui is ('was', now that he's gone, I guess), if anyone else watches Hard Knocks.


Don't get HBO anymore: what was said about him?

Read Cimini's quotes on twitter about Clyde Gates ("Not a football player" - Philbin, "Biggest fear is someone will take time to develop him"- Ireland).


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:14 am 
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He was kind of just one of those featured guys, had a cool personality. You can't really judge any player's talent on that show. The Dolphins made it seem like he was someone they wanted to keep; in other words, wasn't one of those easy cuts. He was on their practice squad last year (we knew this).

Gates is really raw but has burner speed, ran a 4.37/40 in the 2011 Combine. However, consider that the Dolphins probably have the worst receiving corps in the league; it kind of says something about a receiver who couldn't crack their roster.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:20 am 
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Aaitui apparently tore his ACL/MCL in his first practice here, was cut, Dixon resigned.

Still don't understand that move in the first place, but all's well that ends well, right?

Bobby Malone over McBriar is another seeming head-scratcher, but (and I don't know how kicker economics work) perhaps its some kind of mechanism with guaranteed salaries and cap stuff? Week 1 salaries get guaranteed, right? Cut Conley now, avoid paying his money; assume Malone is making whatever the absolute minimum is; you can grab a McBriar after week 1 with no guaranteed money owed (assume he would cost something more in guaranteed salary than a Malone) and feel free to swap out as you see fit the rest of the year? I don't know, seems like a lot of work for probably minimal savings for a team thats significantly under the cap.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:32 am 
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Aaitui apparently tore his ACL/MCL in his first practice here, was cut, Dixon resigned.

Still don't understand that move in the first place, but all's well that ends well, right?

Bobby Malone over McBriar is another seeming head-scratcher, but (and I don't know how kicker economics work) perhaps its some kind of mechanism with guaranteed salaries and cap stuff? Week 1 salaries get guaranteed, right? Cut Conley now, avoid paying his money; assume Malone is making whatever the absolute minimum is; you can grab a McBriar after week 1 with no guaranteed money owed (assume he would cost something more in guaranteed salary than a Malone) and feel free to swap out as you see fit the rest of the year? I don't know, seems like a lot of work for probably minimal savings for a team thats significantly under the cap.


My understanding is that McBriar has some sort of nerve issue and is not good with the holds...sounds like a stay-away to me. Regardless, Malone represents an upgrade over Conley.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:52 am 
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Aaitui apparently tore his ACL/MCL in his first practice here, was cut, Dixon resigned.

Still don't understand that move in the first place, but all's well that ends well, right?

Bobby Malone over McBriar is another seeming head-scratcher, but (and I don't know how kicker economics work) perhaps its some kind of mechanism with guaranteed salaries and cap stuff? Week 1 salaries get guaranteed, right? Cut Conley now, avoid paying his money; assume Malone is making whatever the absolute minimum is; you can grab a McBriar after week 1 with no guaranteed money owed (assume he would cost something more in guaranteed salary than a Malone) and feel free to swap out as you see fit the rest of the year? I don't know, seems like a lot of work for probably minimal savings for a team thats significantly under the cap.


My understanding is that McBriar has some sort of nerve issue and is not good with the holds...sounds like a stay-away to me. Regardless, Malone represents an upgrade over Conley.


Noting that that the standard for that is quite low, there's not much to base that off of. He's had one season of significant time in the league (2010), where he punted in 12 games and had a 41.5 gross avg, 36.5 net average, 17 punts inside the 20, long of 64 yards. Conley's 2011 was a 42.7 gross average, 38.8 net average and 32 punts inside the 20, with a long of 63.

Essentially, we don't know much about Malone, but his one season of action was worse in every way than Conley's 2011.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:01 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Aaitui apparently tore his ACL/MCL in his first practice here, was cut, Dixon resigned.

Still don't understand that move in the first place, but all's well that ends well, right?

Bobby Malone over McBriar is another seeming head-scratcher, but (and I don't know how kicker economics work) perhaps its some kind of mechanism with guaranteed salaries and cap stuff? Week 1 salaries get guaranteed, right? Cut Conley now, avoid paying his money; assume Malone is making whatever the absolute minimum is; you can grab a McBriar after week 1 with no guaranteed money owed (assume he would cost something more in guaranteed salary than a Malone) and feel free to swap out as you see fit the rest of the year? I don't know, seems like a lot of work for probably minimal savings for a team thats significantly under the cap.


My understanding is that McBriar has some sort of nerve issue and is not good with the holds...sounds like a stay-away to me. Regardless, Malone represents an upgrade over Conley.


Noting that that the standard for that is quite low, there's not much to base that off of. He's had one season of significant time in the league (2010), where he punted in 12 games and had a 41.5 gross avg, 36.5 net average, 17 punts inside the 20, long of 64 yards. Conley's 2011 was a 42.7 gross average, 38.8 net average and 32 punts inside the 20, with a long of 63.

Essentially, we don't know much about Malone, but his one season of action was worse in every way than Conley's 2011.



Conley is not good. His unofficial "shank rate" is preposterous. Malone was one of the better punters around the league this preseason.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Conley is not good. I certainly hope Malone is better. Just saying, theres not much data out there to make that a certainty - the data we do have says the exact opposite.

As far as this preseason goes, Malone's gross average was .8 better (44.8 to 44.0), but Conley's net average was .3 better (40.1 to 39.8). This is hardly a compelling set of data, but the idea that Malone killed the ball this preseason appears to be off, at least in comparison to Conley.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
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Some small notes that came out this morning: CB LeQuan Lewis was added to the practice squad and LB Ricky Sapp was released from it; Bilal Powell is the 3rd-down running back over Joe McKnight.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:45 pm 
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Some small notes that came out this morning: CB LeQuan Lewis was added to the practice squad and LB Ricky Sapp was released from it; Bilal Powell is the 3rd-down running back over Joe McKnight.


Jets looking to recreate the Ryan Perrilloux/Ross Ventrone dynamic from last year's Super Bowl participants with LeQuan Lewis, it appears.


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 Post subject: Re: NY Jets 2012 Training Camp Thread
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Malone apparently had a terrific workout for the Jets, booting a number of punts off the ceiling of the complex.


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