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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:19 pm 
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What do you guys think about potentially bringing in Matt Flynn to quarterback our new OC's West Coast offense? I read some rumbling about this on rotoworld yesterday.



That would be interesting, I think he makes around 7 mil per on a 3 yr deal (not sure how much is guaranteed) but he will not be treated as a salary dump at all. I wonder what they'd ask for in a trade. But the whole idea of dealing Sanchez for him (which I saw floating around last night) is assinine IMO. Why would Seattle do that?

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:55 pm 
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There was some talk of Jon Gruden being a possible future head coach for the Jets since Idzik and he overlapped in Tampa Bay.

However, Rich Cimini reports in a generally positive profile of Idzik that there was an internal power struggle in Tampa Bay that resulted in Gruden consolidating his power and Idzik leaving the organization to go to Arizona.

Cimini doesn't report a direct cause-and-effect and Idzik's departure was a resignation and not a firing. It could have been a case of jumping out ahead of a housecleaning, but I doubt Idzik would maintain a close relationship with someone who caused him to leave a job he held for more than a decade

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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:57 pm 
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Adam Schefter reports John Idzik is a big Tavaris Jackson booster and speculates on him versus the more oft-mentioned names of Flynn and Vick as being a potential QB target for the Jets.

See: Exhibit A of "John Idzik is not a personnel guy."


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:06 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Adam Schefter reports John Idzik is a big Tavaris Jackson booster and speculates on him versus the more oft-mentioned names of Flynn and Vick as being a potential QB target for the Jets.

See: Exhibit A of "John Idzik is not a personnel guy."


Oh brother. Can we wait until he makes an actual move before he gets criticized? Sheesh


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:21 pm 
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There was some talk of Jon Gruden being a possible future head coach for the Jets since Idzik and he overlapped in Tampa Bay.

However, Rich Cimini reports in a generally positive profile of Idzik that there was an internal power struggle in Tampa Bay that resulted in Gruden consolidating his power and Idzik leaving the organization to go to Arizona.

Cimini doesn't report a direct cause-and-effect and Idzik's departure was a resignation and not a firing. It could have been a case of jumping out ahead of a housecleaning, but I doubt Idzik would maintain a close relationship with someone who caused him to leave a job he held for more than a decade


Not sure if he has any interest in coming out of the booth, but Tony Dungy spoke like he and Idzik were very tight and heaped a ton of praise on the hire.

Considering hes a better coach than Cowher and Gruden, thats the "guy you need to convince o come out of TV" name I'd be most interested in now.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:39 am 
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How bizarre is this?

The Jets have reportedly hired David Lee as their quarterbacks coach.

Lee is best known for having been the brains behind the Dolphins introduction of the wildcat offense a few years baxk.

So they fired Sparano, partly because the wildcat was such a disaster on his watch as OC. Then they hire a wildcat guru who used to coach on Sparano's staff in Miami.

In fairness to Lee, he seems to have a pretty good track record aside from the wildcat. And in fairness to the Jets, they tried to hire Lee last year, but he decided to work in Buffalo, but got fired along with head coach Chan Gailey.

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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:34 am 
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Chico wrote:
How bizarre is this?

The Jets have reportedly hired David Lee as their quarterbacks coach.

Lee is best known for having been the brains behind the Dolphins introduction of the wildcat offense a few years baxk.

So they fired Sparano, partly because the wildcat was such a disaster on his watch as OC. Then they hire a wildcat guru who used to coach on Sparano's staff in Miami.

In fairness to Lee, he seems to have a pretty good track record aside from the wildcat. And in fairness to the Jets, they tried to hire Lee last year, but he decided to work in Buffalo, but got fired along with head coach Chan Gailey.
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Maybe he didn't really like Sparano and didn't want to come here because of him. But I think what the hire does show is that the wildcat...which correct me if i am wrong, no serious winning team uses, is here to stay.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
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David Lee is supposed to be a QB guru.

His last 2 proteges however have been Chad Henne and Ryan Fitzpatrick (2012 edition).

Interesting resume. Has been around forever, pro and college. Was hired initially by Parcells in Miami and I'm not one to question the Tuna's evaluation skills, so I'll say this is a good thing - certainly better than Matt Cavanaugh.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:36 pm 
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In case there was any doubt, Woody Johnson is proving that he's a bad guy.

Not only did he fire Mike Tannenbaum (certainly something Woody was entitled to do and probably justified), but now it appears he is smearing Tannenbaum over the whole Tebow thing.

According to Ted Sundquist, who interviewed for the GM job, Johnson told him acquiring Tebow wasn't his idea and gave the impression that the deal was "forced" on him by his "football people" and that he eventually "jumped on board".

Well, since Woody kept Rex and practically planted a kiss on Rex's cheek at their press conference and he fired Tannenbaum, who are we to believe the "football people" were who screwed up?

And that doesn't even go into the whole matter of Woody's infatuation with marquee quarterbacks, bringing in Brett Favre near the end of Favre's career after Favre had done everything in his power to sabotage the Packers front office and coaching staff right before he left, and trying to cast Sanchez as a marquee quarterback in the making when they drafted him.

So, for Woody, it wasn't enough to fire Tannenbaum. He had to throw Mr T under the bus in private conversations with people who are connected in the NFL, but outside the Jets organization, no doubt hoping they'd spread the preposterous cover story that Woody not only didn't orchestrate the Tebow move, but that he wasn't on board with it at first.

Apparently, Woody never considered how weak the cover story makes him look, as owner, that his employees "forced" a move on him that he didn't want to make.

Contrast Woody the weasel with John Mara's repeated statements that, as owner, he is ultimately responsible for how things turn out with the Giants.

Here's a link to Rich Cimini's story on what Sundquist told him:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_ ... quist-says

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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:04 pm 
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Chico wrote:
In case there was any doubt, Woody Johnson is proving that he's a bad guy.

Not only did he fire Mike Tannenbaum (certainly something Woody was entitled to do and probably justified), but now it appears he is smearing Tannenbaum over the whole Tebow thing.

According to Ted Sundquist, who interviewed for the GM job, Johnson told him acquiring Tebow wasn't his idea and gave the impression that the deal was "forced" on him by his "football people" and that he eventually "jumped on board".

Well, since Woody kept Rex and practically planted a kiss on Rex's cheek at their press conference and he fired Tannenbaum, who are we to believe the "football people" were who screwed up?

And that doesn't even go into the whole matter of Woody's infatuation with marquee quarterbacks, bringing in Brett Favre near the end of Favre's career after Favre had done everything in his power to sabotage the Packers front office and coaching staff right before he left, and trying to cast Sanchez as a marquee quarterback in the making when they drafted him.

So, for Woody, it wasn't enough to fire Tannenbaum. He had to throw Mr T under the bus in private conversations with people who are connected in the NFL, but outside the Jets organization, no doubt hoping they'd spread the preposterous cover story that Woody not only didn't orchestrate the Tebow move, but that he wasn't on board with it at first.

Apparently, Woody never considered how weak the cover story makes him look, as owner, that his employees "forced" a move on him that he didn't want to make.

Contrast Woody the weasel with John Mara's repeated statements that, as owner, he is ultimately responsible for how things turn out with the Giants.

Here's a link to Rich Cimini's story on what Sundquist told him:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_ ... quist-says


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:23 am 
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Maybe Woody was confused and meant Romney was forced on the GOP since his mind was more focused on that than his own team...

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: New York Jets 2012 Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:46 am 
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Meh, Woody's no saint, but I never have bought into the idea that Woody went over his coaches and FO's heads and brought in Tebow with sole designs on ticket sales and jersey sales.

"Forced" is a word thats being put in Woody's mouth and makes him look bad. Look at this piece, which essentially says THE EXACT SAME THING Sundquist said, except its being positioned as a "rebuttal" of sorts to Woody's supposed comment:

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A league source with direct knowledge of the trade said though Tannenbaum was the driving force behind the move, there is no way it can be characterized as being “forced” on Johnson.

“He owns the team,” the source said. “All he had to do was say ‘no.’ Nothing is ever forced on Woody.”

The source said it is true Tannenbaum is the member of the Jets organization who came up with the idea of trading for Tebow once the Broncos signed Peyton Manning. The source said once Tannenbaum came up with the idea, several members of the Jets organization tried to talk him out of the trade, saying Tebow was not an accurate passer. But Tannenbaum was not swayed.

“The thing picked up steam quick,” the source said.

Tannenbaum, who has not talked to reporters since being fired Dec. 31, declined to comment.

According to the ESPN report, Johnson told Sundquist he was on board shortly after the trade came up.


In other words, Tannenbaum had the idea, there was conflict over the idea, eventually the idea won out. Pretty much the exact same line of facts Woody supposedly presented to Sundquist, just presented in a different way.

Anyway, the bottom line is the idea of the trade was still sound. Your starting QB was shaky coming into the year and you needed a legit second option. Then, your QB continued his regression to the point where he needed to be benched (much sooner than he was). Its simply the way the innovative minds of Rex and Tony utilized the guy, or stubbornly stuck with Sanchez, or used their wonderful practice evaluation skills to figure out that the barely-rosterable and has-never-been-active Greg McElroy was an NFL-caliber option because he can complete out patterns in pad-less practices, which were the real issues.


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