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 Post subject: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:45 am 
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What? Better late than never right? Guess not.

Seeing how there probably 2...maybe 3 Giants fans here, this thread may not go anywhere but I'll do my best to keep it alive, if only for the sake of having it.

The Giants face off against the Steelers this afternoon and even though they face each other once every four years, I feel like this game has added incentive (similar to the Brady and Peyton games but not quite the fanfare). After all, Ben and Eli were drafted in the same year (yea yea I know you all know). For many reasons, these two players will always be linked/compared to one another.

Thoughts on what I believe needs to happen for the Giants to win

First: Protect ELI. Steelers front have been awful at sacking the QB. Lets not give them any help. (Im talking to u David Diehl)

Second: The obvious, no mistakes. That includes mental and physical.

Third: Do not bite on the play fake. Stay discipline and please no broken coverage.

Fourth: You are not going to get Ben down each time you get to him. Focus on the ball. Swat at it (and his arm) and if you dont get to Ben, get your arms up. This giants secondary is swiss cheese and they need all the batted balls we can get.

FiF: Win the one on one. Nicks and Cruz will be doubled A LOT. This means our 3rd, 4th and 5th options need to get open and make plays.

Sixth: The giants offensive game plan lately has been stale and obvious. Its never a good thing when the fans are calling out the plays you run before you run them. Chances are, the defense knows as well. I understand the OL is pretty crappy but find a way to block well on screens. Get Wilson involved in the pass game. Using Wilson/Brown as decoys will help matters as well. Try incorporating the Split, Stretch and wishbone formations. We have the personnel to do it. Oh and try utilizing the wing back in play action (and audible to that formation). Wilson would be the best player to use in that formation.

Not sure if I missed anything obvious. Most likely did.

Anyways, I look forward to the Giants playing well all 4 quarters. Its unlikely, but I wouldnt mind seeing the Giants put this game away by the 3rd quarter.

Any steeler fans here?

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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:04 pm 
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The last few games have been brutal.

The Bengals game was just shameful. They were outplayed on all the 3 sides of the ball.

I have no idea what happened to Eli, but they need to fix him badly. Also, where has our supposedly superior defensive line gone?? No pressure at all on Dalton. At all. Shameful.

Hopefully the bye week will be good for them, because the schedule doesn't get any easier.

I'd totally forgotten what it was like to have a QB who misses so many throws. We're getting a big reminder.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:32 pm 
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The last few games have been brutal.

The Bengals game was just shameful. They were outplayed on all the 3 sides of the ball.

I have no idea what happened to Eli, but they need to fix him badly. Also, where has our supposedly superior defensive line gone?? No pressure at all on Dalton. At all. Shameful.

Hopefully the bye week will be good for them, because the schedule doesn't get any easier.

I'd totally forgotten what it was like to have a QB who misses so many throws. We're getting a big reminder.


I will try and point out my POV (pun intended?) on what is going on with regard to the Giants as a whole

Eli Manning is doing TOO MUCH. He has the skill and is still reading the defenses correctly. Problem is the protection is very shaky, the WR are NOT getting any separation, we're getting no help from the TE spot during the offenses horrible stretch, and the run game has gone down the drain. ELI has always been the type to make stupid throws. If you protect him, you eliminate that problem. The funny thing is, its the same way you beat Rodgers. Take away his WR, hes doomed because they have no RUN game. The difference being Rodgers can run, ELI cant. Now even when he is getting protected, the WR are not getting open. Again, forcing ELI to do more than what he actually should. Hes also being killed when he does make a perfect throw, and the WR drops it.

As for the defense, when your 2nd best player is chase blackburn, youre in trouble.

Tuck is overrated and has been the better part of 3 years. He shows up 25% of the time...then disappears when its convenient for the opposition.

Same goes for OSI who good at one thing, trying to strip sack the QB. When that isnt working, hes useless.

Canty and Linval have also diapered over the past 3 weeks.

JPP is being double teamed, chipped, and even triple teamed. Looking at the games, its clear as day. Also, when he is one on one, you cant expect him to win every down. Even LT disappeared 10% of the time. You cant ALWAYS be great. With that said, he clearly is the best player on the defense and an ALL PRO DE.

Websters has lost a step, and hes never been a burner to begin with. He has always had trouble with fast WR. He is definitely playing a notch below what he did last season. I think its safe to say, he is on the downside of his career.

Brown is a very opportunistic DB. He has the potential to be pretty dang good. He gets into trouble when he tries to be too aggressive. He also has the tendency to break coverage (again due to being over aggressive). I believe he should be used in the cover safety role ONLY. Do not give him PASS/RUN responsibilities. He doesnt make those reads early enough and has been bitten by it.

Fewell playing soft zone D against capable QB during the worst possible time. He is definitely been a problem for this team.

Special Teams...what special teams?

The Giants overall are talented but are not that good. Lets not forget, this was a 9-7 team last year. I predicted 8-8 to start the season. ELI predicted a possible dynasty on his hands, he was foolish to think so. I can see where he was coming from, I just didnt buy into it at the time, and still dont.

This offseason, the Giants need to focus on retooling this OL. Diehl needs to go. He was done for 2 years ago, yet he remains a staple on the OL. The Giants need to go after a REAL RT

Get rid of the worst part of this offense since he came into the league..Kevin Gilbride. An OC who has no clue how to utilize his offensive weapons, especially when the run game isnt working. That and a better RT should be enough to help bring this offense back to wear it should be

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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:27 pm 
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This is one of the strangest teams I have ever followed. I agree when you say that they are not that good in the sense of a dynastic type team. Sometime a pretty good team just gets on a roll and wins the Super Bowl and, to their tremendous credit, this team did that twice. They certainly were not the best team in either of those years. Often the media treats this team as if they were the 49ers of the 80's and they express bafflement over their inconsistent play, when in fact inconsistency has been the practice of this team. A few weeks back Francesa stated that Eli was coming off several "un-Eli" like weeks - also not supportable by any data. Eli has always had inconsistent regular seasons. Just a strange team.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:25 pm 
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I boil it down to this

The team is overrated and they believed in the hype that they were good. Tuck said it best

This team was "overconfident" up until now

I'd like nothing more than to see them continue to take in some humble pie. That will be the only way this team makes any REAL changes.

Unfortunately when u win a super bowl, people start to give credit to those that dont deserve much of it.

The good news is Eli Manning is a good quarterback and will be for another 4-5 years. Hes never going to be ELITE and we dont need him to be. Being on the outstretch of top5-7 is more than good enough to win in this league

Maybe a lost season is what this team needs to get the following done: A change at OC, bring in some REAL LB, for petes sake please put KiWi back at DE, let Osi go, challenge Tucks starting job by benching him, bring in some physical OL; guys with the mentality that if you try to get passed them, ur going to take a dirt nap, draft a couple more CB to help this team, resign KP, let Rolle go, and resign Brown (both RB/DB)

And its time to start playing the rookie. YOU FLAT OUT SAID WILSON WAS THE GUY AND DOUG MARTIN WASNT EVEN IN UR TOP 3. WELL, SHOW ME YOU TRUST IN THAT ASSESSMENT AND PLAY HIM.

as I type this, KG called another DRAW. Apparently thats the most intuitive way of getting ur run game going; a draw!

They are who I thought they were

ITS TIME THEY FIGURED THAT OUT FIRST HAND. CANT WAIT!

I stick by 8-8!

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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:17 pm 
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NeverGiveIn wrote:
SHPIDA wrote:
The last few games have been brutal.

The Bengals game was just shameful. They were outplayed on all the 3 sides of the ball.

I have no idea what happened to Eli, but they need to fix him badly. Also, where has our supposedly superior defensive line gone?? No pressure at all on Dalton. At all. Shameful.

Hopefully the bye week will be good for them, because the schedule doesn't get any easier.

I'd totally forgotten what it was like to have a QB who misses so many throws. We're getting a big reminder.


I will try and point out my POV (pun intended?) on what is going on with regard to the Giants as a whole

Eli Manning is doing TOO MUCH. He has the skill and is still reading the defenses correctly. Problem is the protection is very shaky, the WR are NOT getting any separation, we're getting no help from the TE spot during the offenses horrible stretch, and the run game has gone down the drain. ELI has always been the type to make stupid throws. If you protect him, you eliminate that problem. The funny thing is, its the same way you beat Rodgers. Take away his WR, hes doomed because they have no RUN game. The difference being Rodgers can run, ELI cant. Now even when he is getting protected, the WR are not getting open. Again, forcing ELI to do more than what he actually should. Hes also being killed when he does make a perfect throw, and the WR drops it.

As for the defense, when your 2nd best player is chase blackburn, youre in trouble.

Tuck is overrated and has been the better part of 3 years. He shows up 25% of the time...then disappears when its convenient for the opposition.

Same goes for OSI who good at one thing, trying to strip sack the QB. When that isnt working, hes useless.

Canty and Linval have also diapered over the past 3 weeks.

JPP is being double teamed, chipped, and even triple teamed. Looking at the games, its clear as day. Also, when he is one on one, you cant expect him to win every down. Even LT disappeared 10% of the time. You cant ALWAYS be great. With that said, he clearly is the best player on the defense and an ALL PRO DE.

Websters has lost a step, and hes never been a burner to begin with. He has always had trouble with fast WR. He is definitely playing a notch below what he did last season. I think its safe to say, he is on the downside of his career.

Brown is a very opportunistic DB. He has the potential to be pretty dang good. He gets into trouble when he tries to be too aggressive. He also has the tendency to break coverage (again due to being over aggressive). I believe he should be used in the cover safety role ONLY. Do not give him PASS/RUN responsibilities. He doesnt make those reads early enough and has been bitten by it.

Fewell playing soft zone D against capable QB during the worst possible time. He is definitely been a problem for this team.

Special Teams...what special teams?

The Giants overall are talented but are not that good. Lets not forget, this was a 9-7 team last year. I predicted 8-8 to start the season. ELI predicted a possible dynasty on his hands, he was foolish to think so. I can see where he was coming from, I just didnt buy into it at the time, and still dont.

This offseason, the Giants need to focus on retooling this OL. Diehl needs to go. He was done for 2 years ago, yet he remains a staple on the OL. The Giants need to go after a REAL RT

Get rid of the worst part of this offense since he came into the league..Kevin Gilbride. An OC who has no clue how to utilize his offensive weapons, especially when the run game isnt working. That and a better RT should be enough to help bring this offense back to wear it should be


No doubt, Webster has not had a good year. The secondary would look so much better with a healthy TT. Feel bad for him, he looked like he had a nice career ahead of him. Ideally right now you would have TT, Webster, and Prince as the top 3 CB, with Hosley as the #4. Hosley has been forced into more action as a rookie.

Except for the past 2 games I don't think the ST have been that bad. Prior to that, I don't believe their coverage was that bad. The Giants have not had a returner of Wilson's caliber in a long time. Tynes is also having a great year and Weatherford is solid.

I think the Giants have a very good coaching staff, specifically Pope and Flaherty. However, I don't understand starting Diehl over Locklear right now. Pat Flaherty is a very good O-Line coach. Does he honestly think Diehl is better than Locklear? Honestly, I feel bad for Diehl because he has been getting criticized a lot lately and he has been an integral part of their line for a long time. With all the grief that he takes, they did win 2 SBs with him as the starting LT. Have to give him credit for that.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:07 pm 
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This was a true statement game.

Eli was back to being Eli (some poor throws, but much better than the past 3 games). Lots of sacks, lots of pressure, etc.

Losing Brown was a real loss, and Wilson looks lost out there.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:31 pm 
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Game of the Week people

I'll be at Buffalo Wild Wings in case anyone interested in free food

FREE BEERS TOO IF UR A JETS FAN

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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:44 pm 
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David Wilson.


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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:52 pm 
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SHPIDA wrote:
David Wilson.

Wilson calls his return TD pregame warmups -= http://www.giants.com/media-vault/video ... 9977b8d348


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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:25 am 
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Im still miffed on the fumble recovery. u tellin me Linval couldnt take it to the house?

Dat dude SLOOOOOOW

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 Post subject: Re: New York Giants: 2012 Mid Season Long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:36 am 
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Looking forward to a Giants Loss today

Sadly, they will disappoint and end up winning the game. I'd rather they lose though; rather than win and still not make the playoffs. Ending the season with a win is something I would advise against...actually, HIGHLY advise against.

And with that said, My august 21st prediction of 8-8 for Gmen (and no playoffs) and 6-10 for Jets looks like a real possibility.

Now if only JR knew how "not so good" his team actually was, and is, then we would see some major, and well needed changes.

"HOPING, AND WISHING, AND HOPING, AND WISHING"

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