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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:59 am 
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I'm curious how this narrative as to how the fix was in for Marrone all along is getting developed.

I'm far from excited about a Marrone hire, but how could Casserly and Wolf have weaseled their way into the Jet organization simply to plant the idea of Marrone as the next coach when Marrone wasn't even available when these conversations about consultants started?



Not sure I understand the question. Casserly has apparently been a Marrone advocate (or so the story goes) for some time and once he was put in charge of the "process," Marrone unexpectedly opts out of his contract…?! That sudden twist of events doesn't bother you?


But what does that mean? "A Marrone Advocate"? Sounds like a hollow narrative to me considering Casserly has exactly 0 history with Doug Marrone. Maybe he respects him from afar (which wouldn't exactly make him different, as I think most believe Marrone is a fine, if not boring, coach), but this is isn't exactly like Mike Shanahan making a power play in Buffalo to bring in his son to HC and himself as GM. Seemed more like a random way to backhandedly criticize Woody despite him doing the "right thing".

and oh, by the way, Marrone interviewed 2 days ago, and has moved on to other teams. And now reports are that it "did not go well." So, so much for that narrative, it seems. Reich and Bowles up next.

what it meant (up until Marrone bombed his interview) is that the idea of there being some special hiring process was kind of a big fraud if Casserly had intended to get his guy in there from the outset. None of which is to mention that Marrone isn't exactly the type of 'star coach' that warrants flipping the process on its head and having to find a GM who could work with him.

But it appears at the moment that isn't happening until we hear the 'they're cycling back to Marrone' talk a few days from now. Needless to say, the idea that the Jets will mishandle this process is at the front of everyone's mind.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:24 am 
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But read that again - if Casserly's agenda was basically to push Marrone on the Jets, and thats why he got himself involved (ignore his complete lack of history with Marrone other than observation from afar), how could he "bomb" the interview that Casserly led?

Understand the skepticism and everything, but again, this is an example of Blame The Owner no matter what. Woody is not a football guy and got killed 2 years ago for bringing in a ridiculous "search firm" who pushed whoever they wanted on Woody and he and Neil Glat conducted interviews on a subject they knew NOTHING about, and thats how they ended up with John Idzik, their like 13th choice or whatever. This time around, he brings in 2 highly respected and successful former GM's to lead the process, and its a sham process? How should they have done it then?

They've interviewed 6 coaches (and will do at least 1 more likely if the Ravens lose this week) and 4 or 5 GM candidates that we know of. There's clearly no "agenda-driven" candidate that is "blowing up the process" here. The whole "best candidates won't interview here" stuff is silly because everyone knows DeCosta doesn't want to leave Baltimore and has turned down overtures from franchises for YEARS (why would he leave? He's the heir apparent in an incredibly successful, well run organization), Ballard basically has the Chicago job and who cares about George Paton? And again, the guys who are saying "no" because of a perceived lack of clear control I don't think are in the "right" any more than the Jets aren't for not giving in to that - how many GM's have complete control over personnel in successful organizations? Jerry Jones (and I think most would say thats not really the best run football ops department in the world) and...? Thompson has final say, sure, but McCarthy no doubt has his footprint all over that organization, having always retained playcalling duties on top of HC duties and surely has input on personnel. Thomas Dmitroff? Most would say he's been a disappointment. Scott Pioli did in KC and while the post-mortem makes him look much better than he did while he was there (and I would welcome Scott Pioli here in a second), most of the reviews coming out of his tenure there was that it was a hostile, controlled environment that no one felt comfortable in.

Most of the best teams in the league have the best COACHES in the league who all have personnel input.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:56 am 
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But read that again - if Casserly's agenda was basically to push Marrone on the Jets, and thats why he got himself involved (ignore his complete lack of history with Marrone other than observation from afar), how could he "bomb" the interview that Casserly led?

Understand the skepticism and everything, but again, this is an example of Blame The Owner no matter what. Woody is not a football guy and got killed 2 years ago for bringing in a ridiculous "search firm" who pushed whoever they wanted on Woody and he and Neil Glat conducted interviews on a subject they knew NOTHING about, and thats how they ended up with John Idzik, their like 13th choice or whatever. This time around, he brings in 2 highly respected and successful former GM's to lead the process, and its a sham process? How should they have done it then?


you're just playing devil's advocate based on the assumption that I'm killing Woody here, but I didn't say that. It isn't Woody's fault that he might be getting sandbagged here. He probably had no way of knowing it. I'm just saying essentially #loljets…. that even when they try to put a solid process in place, it blows up. I don't know what they should have done differently (other than not to have brought Casserly in for this), and maybe Marrone took it upon himself to opt out of his job knowing the risk involved. I'm just saying that it had taken on a very foul odor once Marrone opted out and was deemed the immediate favorite for the job. Obviously, it's good to see that the interview is apparently more than just a formality.

And btw, I don't pretend to know who the jets should hire for either job, but there does appear to be many solid/worthy candidates to choose from… and here's the critical thing - once you make the choice, you have to live with it for a while (at least a couple of seasons) so you have to choose well… and this franchise hasn't chosen well in a very long time. Yeah, Ryan wasn't an awful HC but it's kind of essential to be able to back up the talk *if* you are going to do the flapping, and Ryan loved to talk big. Too often he couldn't walk the walk and that got old very fast.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
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Mistuh T is, essentially, being hired as Dolphins' new GM.

I do expect Rex will end with one of the open HC jobs.

So the architects of that "mess" that Idzik inherited and had the Herculean task of "cleaning up" seem to be in fine demand.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:18 am 
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Dan Quinn rumored to be the coaching favorite, and supposedly will look to pair with Kyle Shannahan. Count me in for that duo.

Also really buying into the Frank Reich hype, but wonder if its a bit too much/too soon for Frank who was really more of a QB guru up until last year (and its unclear to me if he even had play calling responsibilities over McCoy in SD). But he looks like the "sexy" candidate to me.


On the GM front, Maccagnan looks like he's the first announced 2nd round guy. I can't say I'm a fan of this fit. Supposedly very good eye for talent but not really a dynamic presence - might be a case of bringing in a behind the scenes personnel guy but ultimately giving the HC more say in the org. Is Quinn the guy for that? Dunno.

Very intrigued by the interview today - Jon Robinson of the Bucs by way of New England.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:43 am 
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Dan Quinn rumored to be the coaching favorite, and supposedly will look to pair with Kyle Shannahan. Count me in for that duo.

Also really buying into the Frank Reich hype, but wonder if its a bit too much/too soon for Frank who was really more of a QB guru up until last year (and its unclear to me if he even had play calling responsibilities over McCoy in SD). But he looks like the "sexy" candidate to me.


On the GM front, Maccagnan looks like he's the first announced 2nd round guy. I can't say I'm a fan of this fit. Supposedly very good eye for talent but not really a dynamic presence - might be a case of bringing in a behind the scenes personnel guy but ultimately giving the HC more say in the org. Is Quinn the guy for that? Dunno.

Very intrigued by the interview today - Jon Robinson of the Bucs by way of New England.


I'm on board with the current favorites for the openings.

I'm a little hesitant on Reich though. What was he doing between 1998 and 2008? I really don't think he did much to "develop" Manning or Rivers. He certainly was not calling plays at SD. Is he just a guy that's been at the right place/right time with good-ish teams? Then again, player development and play-calling don't necessarily have to be the specific strengths/skills of a good head coach. I doubt Tomlin or John Harbaugh do much of either.

On an unrelated note, I really don't want to see Rex in Buffalo. I'd strongly prefer he go to an NFC team so he can still be fun to root for.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:52 am 
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Dan Quinn rumored to be the coaching favorite, and supposedly will look to pair with Kyle Shannahan. Count me in for that duo.

Also really buying into the Frank Reich hype, but wonder if its a bit too much/too soon for Frank who was really more of a QB guru up until last year (and its unclear to me if he even had play calling responsibilities over McCoy in SD). But he looks like the "sexy" candidate to me.


On the GM front, Maccagnan looks like he's the first announced 2nd round guy. I can't say I'm a fan of this fit. Supposedly very good eye for talent but not really a dynamic presence - might be a case of bringing in a behind the scenes personnel guy but ultimately giving the HC more say in the org. Is Quinn the guy for that? Dunno.

Very intrigued by the interview today - Jon Robinson of the Bucs by way of New England.


I'm on board with the current favorites for the openings.

I'm a little hesitant on Reich though. What was he doing between 1998 and 2008? I really don't think he did much to "develop" Manning or Rivers. He certainly was not calling plays at SD. Is he just a guy that's been at the right place/right time with good-ish teams? Then again, player development and play-calling don't necessarily have to be the specific strengths/skills of a good head coach. I doubt Tomlin or John Harbaugh do much of either.

On an unrelated note, I really don't want to see Rex in Buffalo. I'd strongly prefer he go to an NFC team so he can still be fun to root for.


Sell me on Maccagnan.

He may be responsible for the single best draft pick of the last decade (Watt in 2012) but 2013 and 2014 looks like pretty brutal drafts there. He's not necessarily a young guy either and this is his first consideration for a GM spot, and reports are that he's a introvert.

Are you sold on Dan Quinn being the dynamic face of the franchise who just needs a quiet scout backing him in the FO?

BTW, fuel those Quinn/Shanny Jr. rumors. Shanny Jr. has left Cleveland, officially.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:13 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
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Dan Quinn rumored to be the coaching favorite, and supposedly will look to pair with Kyle Shannahan. Count me in for that duo.

Also really buying into the Frank Reich hype, but wonder if its a bit too much/too soon for Frank who was really more of a QB guru up until last year (and its unclear to me if he even had play calling responsibilities over McCoy in SD). But he looks like the "sexy" candidate to me.


On the GM front, Maccagnan looks like he's the first announced 2nd round guy. I can't say I'm a fan of this fit. Supposedly very good eye for talent but not really a dynamic presence - might be a case of bringing in a behind the scenes personnel guy but ultimately giving the HC more say in the org. Is Quinn the guy for that? Dunno.

Very intrigued by the interview today - Jon Robinson of the Bucs by way of New England.


I'm on board with the current favorites for the openings.

I'm a little hesitant on Reich though. What was he doing between 1998 and 2008? I really don't think he did much to "develop" Manning or Rivers. He certainly was not calling plays at SD. Is he just a guy that's been at the right place/right time with good-ish teams? Then again, player development and play-calling don't necessarily have to be the specific strengths/skills of a good head coach. I doubt Tomlin or John Harbaugh do much of either.

On an unrelated note, I really don't want to see Rex in Buffalo. I'd strongly prefer he go to an NFC team so he can still be fun to root for.


Sell me on Maccagnan.

He may be responsible for the single best draft pick of the last decade (Watt in 2012) but 2013 and 2014 looks like pretty brutal drafts there. He's not necessarily a young guy either and this is his first consideration for a GM spot, and reports are that he's a introvert.

Are you sold on Dan Quinn being the dynamic face of the franchise who just needs a quiet scout backing him in the FO?

BTW, fuel those Quinn/Shanny Jr. rumors. Shanny Jr. has left Cleveland, officially.



My thinking is that Casserly worked with Maccagnan for 6 years in Houston -- I think if he's hired, it will be for good reason. I'm not going to let the potential introverted nature of the candidate dissuade me from the selection. I'm not Manish Mehta.

And I think it's a bit premature to call 2013 and 2014 brutal drafts... 2013 they drafted Hopkins. Quessenberry was emerging as a late round steal before developing Lymphoma. Justin Tuggle was an UDFA who now starts for them. Swearinger has been solid as well. 2014 is entirely too early to judge.

This Robinson guy may or may not be better, they both sound like solid candidates.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:31 pm 
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Watt was picked in 2011.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
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Watt was picked in 2011.


Whoops. So he actually predates this guy calling the final shot, albeit he was still heavily involved in the scouting side of things at that point in the org.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:39 pm 
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Maccagnan = Marrone

STAY AWAY!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 New York Jets Season-long Thread
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Steve The Original wrote:
Maccagnan = Marrone

STAY AWAY!!!!


I don't understand why everyone assumes this... Yes Maccagnan signed Marrone to be on a London football team...back in 1991. Maccagnan does not necessarily mean Marrone...especially not if Quinn already has a handshake deal to be the HC.


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