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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:38 pm 
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I'm souring on Chan Gailey big time. Those calls of throwing behind the line of scrimmage were horrendous calls. The first time was bad enough because the Bills clearly snuffed it out...the defender was right on top of Marshall, but the second time with the game on the line, knowing they snuffed it out once before, was possibly one of the worst play calls ever.


This is a general thought, not a criticism of this specific post.

I'm reluctant to criticize that kind of play call because if we're watching on TV, we don't see the whole field the way the coaches in the booth do.

It's possible they went with the calls in question because the Bills were taking away something else they wanted to do downfield.

A lot of the time, the idea is to get more men in a particular area than the defense has and force a defender to make a play without help. The coaches may have thought they saw something, but it failed because the Bills made a good play or were in the right defense to stop that play.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:52 pm 
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Chico wrote:
Steve The Original wrote:
I'm souring on Chan Gailey big time. Those calls of throwing behind the line of scrimmage were horrendous calls. The first time was bad enough because the Bills clearly snuffed it out...the defender was right on top of Marshall, but the second time with the game on the line, knowing they snuffed it out once before, was possibly one of the worst play calls ever.


This is a general thought, not a criticism of this specific post.

I'm reluctant to criticize that kind of play call because if we're watching on TV, we don't see the whole field the way the coaches in the booth do.

It's possible they went with the calls in question because the Bills were taking away something else they wanted to do downfield.

A lot of the time, the idea is to get more men in a particular area than the defense has and force a defender to make a play without help. The coaches may have thought they saw something, but it failed because the Bills made a good play or were in the right defense to stop that play.


Well I have Phil Simms backing me up, so i'm feeling comfy with my criticism :) I was literally screaming at my TV about why they'd call a play behind the line of scrimmage, especially with the game on the line. In crunch time I hate the call of depending on someone to "make a play," in order to get a first down.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:49 pm 
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From the tape review and discussions last week, it does appear both the 3rd and 4th down plays were problems of Tight Ends, who have been lightly used this year but ultimately ARE professional football players, messing up running routes and/or assignments, which can't happen.

Decker and Fitz both said the 3rd down play should've been a walk-in TD but Cumberland essentially blocked Decker. And the Kellen Davis corner route was wide open, but you had a guy who looked about as comfortable running a route as Jumbo Elliot back in the day. So maybe you can argue that ball needs to go to an isolated Brandon Marshall, but gotta hold players accountable too. Jace Amaro and Zach Sudfeld (who would've thought we'd be ruing the loss of those 2) would've certainly helped on both occasions.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:17 pm 
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Not to take a victory lap on this, but with the introduction of Sheldon Richardson as a stand-up rusher, pretty much puts the nail in the Quinton Coples coffin. What a bust.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:58 pm 
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Not to take a victory lap on this, but with the introduction of Sheldon Richardson as a stand-up rusher, pretty much puts the nail in the Quinton Coples coffin. What a bust.


Cut.


According to Adam Schein, Rex was the only person in the hierarchy who liked Coples there. Mr T and Bradway wanted Chandler Jones, but they deferred to Rex.

If I read Schein correctly, there were 3 or 4 other options Tannenbaum and Bradway preferred to Coples, too.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:04 pm 
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Chico wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Not to take a victory lap on this, but with the introduction of Sheldon Richardson as a stand-up rusher, pretty much puts the nail in the Quinton Coples coffin. What a bust.


Cut.


According to Adam Schein, Rex was the only person in the hierarchy who liked Coples there. Mr T and Bradway wanted Chandler Jones, but they deferred to Rex.

If I read Schein correctly, there were 3 or 4 other options Tannenbaum and Bradway preferred to Coples, too.


Yup, that was the report at the time too. Workout warrier, Rex' hubris said he could make him something great, but a guy who had a bad attitude in college and mediocre production.

Kinda unbelievable Tannenbaum would let Rex overrule him and Bradway after the Ghoulston disaster, but it happened again, and it was one of many reasons why Rex is no longer here - love the guys schematics, love his rah-rah antics, but he is a terrible personnel man, and he got paired with 2 accountants for GMs, which was never a good idea.

Rex with Maccagnan may have been something.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:23 pm 
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I don't mean to kill Rex, because I think his time here was a net positive and I think he's an excellent motivator and defensive tactician.

But I was listening to the MNF game and there were so many facets that I thought encapsulated the things that undid his Jets tenure.

He had his team ready to go toe-to-toe with the unbeaten Pats on the road, nothing to take lightly.

Helped by NE injuries, he had schemes that made Brady look like less than the all-time great he is. Again, no mean feat.

But he insisted on blitzing, even though they were getting to Brady without blitzing. And some of the relatively few big plays the Pats got were when Brady read the play and beat the blitz.

And maybe most damning, when it was late and the score was manageable, they only had one timeout left because they had burned two earlier in second half because they didn't have the right people on the field.

It was all stuff we saw when he coached the Jets.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:29 pm 
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Another post by me on the near-dead forum.

I'm tempted to take up a collection to come up with the money to lure Mike Westhoff out of retirement and get him back running Jets special teams.

They weren't perfect when he ran them, but they always seemed to cover well and they were dangerous on returns, even though they used more than one return man during his tenure.

They were mediocre after Westhoff retired, but they've been downright awful this year under Bobby April.

The balance between winning and losing most NFL games is too fine to keep allowing long returns. Even yesterday, after already having allowed a return TD, they gave up big yardage on their kickoff in OT.

On the flipside, a good return unit can be a huge plus in shifting the balance in your favor.

Incidentally, Westhoff is only a couple of years older than April is, so it's not a case of an old guy giving way to a younger, more energetic guy who can get better with experience.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:23 pm 
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Chico wrote:
Another post by me on the near-dead forum.

I'm tempted to take up a collection to come up with the money to lure Mike Westhoff out of retirement and get him back running Jets special teams.

They weren't perfect when he ran them, but they always seemed to cover well and they were dangerous on returns, even though they used more than one return man during his tenure.

They were mediocre after Westhoff retired, but they've been downright awful this year under Bobby April.

The balance between winning and losing most NFL games is too fine to keep allowing long returns. Even yesterday, after already having allowed a return TD, they gave up big yardage on their kickoff in OT.

On the flipside, a good return unit can be a huge plus in shifting the balance in your favor.

Incidentally, Westhoff is only a couple of years older than April is, so it's not a case of an old guy giving way to a younger, more energetic guy who can get better with experience.


Plus the dude's got a great head of hair. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:14 pm 
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Trouncing the Titans isn't a reason to throw a parade.

But if you've been a Jets fan for any length of time, you've seen them struggle, even lose, against similar opponents.

The Jets were very good in every department.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:40 pm 
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It's a sobering thought that the Jets can run the table and still not make the playoffs. That would be very disheartening.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 New York Jets Season-long Thread
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:07 pm 
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Steve The Original wrote:
It's a sobering thought that the Jets can run the table and still not make the playoffs. That would be very disheartening.


I was thinking about that myself.

But I think considering the fact that they were 4-12 last year. the fact that they're in good position to win 9 or 10 games is a pretty good reward.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to make the playoffs and I think they can do damage if they get there. But I think they've accomplished a lot, playoffs or not.

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