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 Post subject: Star-Ledger: Vince Carter dealt to Orlando
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:54 pm 
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Others are reporting it as rumored, but Dave D'Alessandro of the Ledger is one of the best NBA reporters around, he's on the Nets beat and he says it's a done deal.

The Nets clear a lot of cap space as the rebuilding continues.

The Magic hope that Vince has enough left in the tank to put them over the top. And he might.

Good deal for both clubs, IMO, although the Nets are going to have a hard time selling this team to fans in 2009-10. I wouldn't rule out further moves by Rod Thorn, though.

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Would it be any harder to sell than the team with Vince Carter?


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Wow a basketball dry erase board and a bag to carry them in great job nets


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In answer to Nitelight, I'm probably the wrong guy to ask about selling tickets.

The Nets play less than 10 miles from my house and the last time I paid to see them Chuck Daly was the coach and they were hoping Derrick Coleman and Kenny Anderson would be the next Malone and Stockton.

Up to a point, Carter was a marquee player who could sell tickets.

However, it's quite possible that this past season, with his still-high salary combined with their failure to make the playoffs and sell a lot of tickets is what made them decide to dump him.


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It was a long time coming but aside from Lee, I hate who we got in return. But nonetheless this could mean they are throwing themselves in for the 2010 free agent market.


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R Nitelight wrote:
Would it be any harder to sell than the team with Vince Carter?


8)


They could just move to Newark and be done with the Brooklyn project but Ratner has taken the Atlantic Yards deal to quixotic levels. They even changed the over the top Frank Gehry design to a Conseco Fieldhouse type of arena to try to make it more appealing for the folks in the area.


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I don't know if anyone else noticed or cares, but I have to comment on the interview Stuart Scott did with Rod Thorn on ESPN.

I have to preface this by saying I think Scott symbolizes the contrived shallowness I hate about ESPN. And I think Thorn is one of the savviest GMs in any sport.

Rod was on to talk about the Carter deal and then he talked about the draft choice, Terrence Williams.

Then, for some reason known only to him, Scott closed the interview by resurrecting a quote Thorn gave the night he was in the Bulls front office and they drafted Michael Jordan.

Thorn, obviously trying to avoid putting pressure on an unproven kid, was very cuatious in his praise that night, saying something to the effect that Jordan was a "good" offensive player, but not someone you should rely on to carry your team.

After reading the quote, Scott asked Thorn to react to having been so off in his assessment.

Thorn responded with class and said Jordan was the best, or if not the best one of the top two or three players who ever lived.

Ironically, Thorn is widely regarded as one of the NBA's top talent evaluators of the past 30 years, or so, and most of the people regard his pushing the Bulls to pick Jordan as one of the first acts in building his legacy as a scout.

I thought it was a completely uncalled for cheap shot by Scott.


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Stuart Scott is one of the reasons I don't watch ESPN. Wow, he's terrible.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:00 am 
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Add Dick Vitale. His slurping of Curry is unbearable and add to the fact he has zero knowledge on the international game but thinks he can somehow judge the likes of Ricky Rubio. He is undeniably xenophobic against the Internationals and when HS players were around, he hated them too, with LeBron James as exception when he actually called a game of his. Plus he only cares about the college teams on the East Coast, particularly the ACC.


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Chico wrote:
In answer to Nitelight, I'm probably the wrong guy to ask about selling tickets.

The Nets play less than 10 miles from my house and the last time I paid to see them Chuck Daly was the coach and they were hoping Derrick Coleman and Kenny Anderson would be the next Malone and Stockton.

Up to a point, Carter was a marquee player who could sell tickets.

However, it's quite possible that this past season, with his still-high salary combined with their failure to make the playoffs and sell a lot of tickets is what made them decide to dump him.


People tend to forget Petro (RIP) who was the glue on that team and they never recovered...

I must say I've like Jersey's moves much better the last few years then that of the Knicks but also feel their future is dependent on what becomes of Yi who has the kind of upside you need to contend for a title..

Carter was out of place on a team rebuilding that couldn't draw enough people to get a good poker game going...

Meanwhile Carter is a good addition to Orlando but it gets more complcated than that.. Is Hedo returning or is VC his replacement..Also keep in mind that Pietrus was HUGE for them defending the opposing teams top wing scorer which they'll need to win it all (Pierce/Allen/Kobe/James).

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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The Nets made all the right moves yesterday. Trading Vince was hard to do, but it needed to be done. This team will not contend for at least 2 years and VC will likely be in the twilight by then. Plus we were able to clear cap room for 2010. And we were able to get a decent return.

Courtney Lee should be become a decent 2 guard. He is very athletic and can already defend some of the better 2s in the league. Rafer should be a solid backup point and gives us good depth at the position should Devin run into the injury bug again. I hate to see Keyon Doolings minutes cut, but it looks like he is the odd man out of the rotation.

I think the Terrence Williams pick is excellent. He is a great athlete, a good defender, has good size, can rebound, and a good passer. He really is a complete basketball player who I think can turn into an excellent wing player. He should be slotted into the starting rotation. I also have to add that he seems to be a great guy. Always smiling and he helped up opposing players off the ground on more than one occasion. I am very excited about the pick.

With the roster as it stands now I think Devin starts at PG, Lee at SG, TWill at SF, Yi at PF, and Lopez at C. A decent 5, relative to my low expectations for the team next year. The second unit should be able to score and defend adequately as well. But, I would say we could have a top 5 pick next year.

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