MESSAGE BOARDS TOOLS:  Search | Members | User Control Panel |   | Login 


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 75 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: knicks in serious talks for McGrady
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:20 am 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:09 pm
Posts: 6680
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Quote:
The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill and either Al Harrington or Larry Hughes for McGrady, Joey Dorsey and Brian Cook.


Quote:
As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.


1 issue i have with this deal is that we might lose an extra 1st round pick

i don't like the sound of that at all

2nd issue is that Donnie Walsh needs to take a huge hit over Jordan Hill.

Jordan Hill was the 8th pick in the draft ... and he is basically being used as a nice throw in

if Jordan Hill had any sort of significant value we wouldn't have to give up a future 1st round pick

I know you have to treat it as a sunk cost .... but the GM needs to take a hit for it.

What does sound good to me is the idea of dumping Jeffries and freeing up more cap space... and if we can somehow dump Curry as well (maybe there is an out in his contract?) .. than we are looking at only about 6 million on the books for next year !

Enough money to sign two big stars AND retain DLee + fill out the roster..


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:39 am 
User avatar
Offline
Franchise Player

Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:23 am
Posts: 3167
Location: Manhattan
LOVE this trade.

First, about the draft picks, yes the knicks would theoretically lose their 2012 pick, but according to Yahoo they would swap 2011 picks... which would be good for the knicks.

Hill is far from a throw in. He seems to be the centerpiece of the deal. He looks great when he plays, and I hate to give him up, but the knicks are stuffed up in the sf-pf area and he wouldn't get much chance to develop, especially if the Knicks plan on then getting another PF next year.

Also, along with losing Jeffries, the Knicks would be able to sign 2 max free agents, or maybe McGrady, Lee and a max free agent, or it would give them the flexibility to find a PG and sign a max free agent. It even gives them a shot at Wayde/Lebron.

Also, Harrington being gone gives Chandler and Gallo more time, and if it's not Harrington in the deal they could still go after Tyrus Thomas... who people seem to love though I really don't have any idea why he's so great and have barely seen him play.

So, they trade a PF with a lot of potential (though really, I don't see him as a dominant star type player... he doesn't seem to play with the intensity for that) as well as a 2012 first rounder (when the Knicks, with all this cap space, will most likely be a dominant team), a PF (or a guard) they don't need or really want for most likely a better 2011 pick (though I find this part of the deal hard to believe), a potential star guard who could turn around this season and give them a shot at making a run at the 8th spot, and free up enough money for 2 max free agents.

A 2012 draft pick and Jordan Hill is not the future. 2 max free agents is the future. The Knicks are never going to be bad enough to get a top 3 pick.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:07 am 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:09 pm
Posts: 6680
hey tom, good to hear from you

i disagree with your assessment of Hill... if he is as good as you say , is it really worth making the trade just to basically dump jeffries salary? + you lose a future pick?

(because i don't mind losing hill) i would also do this trade... wade and lebron would be a blockbuster combo

resign Lee
sign some complimentary players to go along with gallo, chandler, douglas
and you have a potential championship contender

whats the latest on Curry ..is it possible to get out of that deal??


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:32 am 
User avatar
Offline
Franchise Player

Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:23 am
Posts: 3167
Location: Manhattan
No way Curry's gone without some sort of trade, and he really has no value right now. There's talk of buying him out, but I don't think that helps cap space - could be wrong though.

Still, after the 2011 season they'll have him off the books and more cap space to play with. And they can use him as a piece to trade for some overpriced PG who doesn't have an expiring contract if need be (will Nash be as good next year? just a thought...)

I agree... a team of Lee, Chandler, Gallo and Douglas, along with some guard or PF/C could be a really good team. Problem is right now the Knicks have a bunch of players who are good, not great, and not bench players and they have no where to put them. The fact that they can't play their first round pick who plays at a position that they are sort of lacking at (as Lee is the center) attests to this.

The possibility I'm thinking now is, if this trade goes through (or really even if it doesn't), trying to trade Chandler or Gallo for Ricky Rubio next year, or another really good point guard. Along with 1 or 2 max free agents, or McGrady, Lee and a max free agent or some combination, that's a really amazing starting 5. Even with Lee at center, who really cares when you got a fast team that can shoot and... I assume whoever they can pick up can drive the ball. And Lee is only lacking at defense as a center.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:12 am 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:37 am
Posts: 10097
Totally agree with you Tom. Welcome back to the boards, haven't seen you post in a couple of years. Come join us in the Mets forum! This trade would be great for us. Mission number one right now should be to shed as much salary for next year as possible. Getting rid of Jeffries pretty much assures that we can keep Lee if we want to while also being able to sign a max FA and having money left over to fill out the roster. Felton Chandler Gallinari Lee Lebron would be a championship caliber team.

Also, do either of you post on the Home of the Knicks website?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:52 am 
User avatar
Offline
Everyday Player

Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:52 pm
Posts: 1289
Location: Westchester, NY
Not sure if I like this. Sounds too risky to me. Giving up Hill as well as future draft picks is too much of a price to pay unless you are confident you can sign Lebron or Wade. Unless we sign one of those two this will end up being a bad trade. You do not mortage the future for Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:44 pm 
Offline
Franchise Player

Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 4:44 pm
Posts: 3840
I like this trade a lot. The goal since Walsh came on was to fix the mess left by Layden and Isiah. The Randolph trade was part 1. This would be part 2.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:52 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:37 am
Posts: 10097
MetsJets24/7 wrote:
Not sure if I like this. Sounds too risky to me. Giving up Hill as well as future draft picks is too much of a price to pay unless you are confident you can sign Lebron or Wade. Unless we sign one of those two this will end up being a bad trade. You do not mortage the future for Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh.


And if you don't do it, you have little chance at getting Lebron. At this point, we should do everything we can to increase our chances at Lebron. And Jordan Hill is not the "future" of the Knicks.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:14 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Franchise Player

Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:57 pm
Posts: 3623
Location: Shea
Thejurisdoc wrote:
I like this trade a lot. The goal since Walsh came on was to fix the mess left by Layden and Isiah. The Randolph trade was part 1. This would be part 2.


I understand your dislike for Zach Randolph but the guy was an All-Star this year and really puts up numbers wherever he goes. He doesn't play much defense and is a black hole on offense, but the guy can score the ball and rebound. This year his Memphis team is playing very good ball, and he is a big part of it.

Anyway, I don't think I like the McGrady to the Knicks trade for the Knicks. It is important for you to get out from the Jeffries contract, but I would hate to give up Hill and more draft picks if I was the Knicks. I am not really a fan of Hill, but he does have some potential and a solid motor.

The trade does help if the goal is only cap space, however. It helps a lot in fact. I am no capologist, but if the goal is two max players this summer it may be a possibility if Jeffries is gone.

It will be fun to see how Walsh fills out the roster. He is going to have a lot of cap room, but also a lot of positions to fill. I think the Knicks have 2 second rounders this year, one being their own and the other being the Nuggets. So there are two cheap roster fillers right there. But, who is the sixth man? Who is the first big man off the bench?

Say you guys do get crazy and sign Lebron and Bosh (which I don't think will happen). What does the roster look like?

PG: Toney Douglas
SG: Gallo
SF: Lebron
PF: Chris Bosh
C: ?

Then Wilson Chandler as the sixth man. Or go small and put Bosh at the C and have Wilson or Lebron play either at PF or SF. Then draft a big man and a backup point guard.

My point is this. Even if you manage to sign 2 max players, Walsh is going to have his work cut out for him finding solid role players to fit around the 2 stars.

_________________
Run it up, Herman! Leave no doubt!
-Coach Yoast


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:16 pm 
User avatar
Online
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:56 pm
Posts: 29574
Location: Danbury, CT
tom7080 wrote:
LOVE this trade.

First, about the draft picks, yes the knicks would theoretically lose their 2012 pick, but according to Yahoo they would swap 2011 picks... which would be good for the knicks.

Hill is far from a throw in. He seems to be the centerpiece of the deal. He looks great when he plays, and I hate to give him up, but the knicks are stuffed up in the sf-pf area and he wouldn't get much chance to develop, especially if the Knicks plan on then getting another PF next year.

Also, along with losing Jeffries, the Knicks would be able to sign 2 max free agents, or maybe McGrady, Lee and a max free agent, or it would give them the flexibility to find a PG and sign a max free agent. It even gives them a shot at Wayde/Lebron.

Also, Harrington being gone gives Chandler and Gallo more time, and if it's not Harrington in the deal they could still go after Tyrus Thomas... who people seem to love though I really don't have any idea why he's so great and have barely seen him play.

So, they trade a PF with a lot of potential (though really, I don't see him as a dominant star type player... he doesn't seem to play with the intensity for that) as well as a 2012 first rounder (when the Knicks, with all this cap space, will most likely be a dominant team), a PF (or a guard) they don't need or really want for most likely a better 2011 pick (though I find this part of the deal hard to believe), a potential star guard who could turn around this season and give them a shot at making a run at the 8th spot, and free up enough money for 2 max free agents.

A 2012 draft pick and Jordan Hill is not the future. 2 max free agents is the future. The Knicks are never going to be bad enough to get a top 3 pick.


OMFG IT'S TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

_________________
MPH on Twitter

Terry Collins cost the Mets a World Series title.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:23 pm 
User avatar
Online
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:56 pm
Posts: 29574
Location: Danbury, CT
PG: Wade
SG: Lebron
SF: Gallo
C: Lee
PF: Chandler

_________________
MPH on Twitter

Terry Collins cost the Mets a World Series title.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:26 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:09 pm
Posts: 6680
pretty funny video of the knicks-rockets negotiations

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba,219962


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 75 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group


SUPPORT NYFS VIA OUR NETWORK OF SITES: FIND AN AA MEETING | FIND A JOB NEAR YOU | SUICIDE DEPRESSION ADDICTION HELP | BOOK REVIEWS EDITORIAL | LOCAL DOCTORS HOSPITAL EMERGENCY CARE | HOME REPAIR CONTRACTOR BUILDER AC HEAT | LOCAL LIVE MUSIC OPEN MIC JAM | FIND YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND WHERE TO VOTE | WOMEN VETERANS HELP SUPPORT AND RESOURCES | THE SOULCIALISTS LIVE LOCAL PIANO MUSIC TREASURE COAST | PET FRIENDLY PARKS HOTELS | SOLAR WIND RENEWABLE POWER | FILE TAX RETURN ATTORNEY | 4G SEO SMART PHONES TABLET WEB | BIRTHDAY PARTY RENTAL CHARACTERS | HOMES APARTMENTS FOR SALE OR RENT NEAR YOU | SPORT COURT GYM FITNESS CLUB TRACK FIELD | GOLF BEACH RESORT HOTELS RESTAURANTS BED BREAKFAST | HEALTH LIFE AUTO HOME INSURANCE QUOTE | METRO BUS TRAIN SUBWAY AIRPORT HELIPORT | VETERAN TIPS CRAFT DIY RECIPES | ATM BRANCH CONSOLIDATION STUDENT CREDIT LOAN RATES | LOCAL NEWS AND RSS FEEDS | CHRISTMAS BLACK FRIDAY BACK TO SCHOOL SALE | LATEST E NEWS ON MOVIES TV GAMES GIFTS BOOKS | LAST MINUTE ANNIVERSARY BIRTHDAY HOUSE WARMING GIFTS NEAR YOU | LOCAL ARTS CRAFTS SUPPLY STORE | LOCAL HEALTHY HEART DIABETIC RESTAURANTS AND STORES | CHURCH TEMPLE MOSQUE OR PLACE OF WORSHIP NEAR YOU | LOCAL LINKS TO RESTAURANTS AIRPORTS DRUG STORES | DRUG OXY OPIATE ALCOHOL PHYSICAL REHAB | SUICIDE HOTLINE DANIELLE COLBERT PHOTO MUG SHOT | © Untraditional Media

The%20Soulcialists