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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:50 pm 
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The Knicks, on the other hand, I did not like what they did. Shumpert is a big, physical guard who was forced to handle the ball for Georgia Tech, but really is not a point guard. He has some crazy athleticism and should be fine on the defensive side of the ball, but I do not believe he has enough offensive game to really be an impact player. I've heard and read Tony Allen comparisons, and in time he could prove a similar player, but I don't buy them.

It must have been really hard passing up Fareid. The Knicks really could have used his rebounding, toughness, and defensive presence. He would have fit perfectly in a small lineup at the 4 with Amare at the 5. No team would have had a more athletic front court if the Knicks could have paired the two. Now, Fareid will have no offensive game in the NBA and teams will find ways to exploit this, but he will impact positively no matter what he does on offense.

I think the Knicks got took because of a couple workouts.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:58 pm 
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The Minnesota Timberwolves seemed to have a pretty good showing in the 2011 NBA Draft. They drafted second-best player in the draft Derrick Williams with the second pick, traded down a few times for cash and the ability to get good value with UCLA guard Malcolm Lee and then acquired a player Targuy Ngombo in the waning moments of the second round.

Except Targuy Ngombo is actually Tanguy Alban Harrys Ngombo, a soon-to-be 27-year-old forward who apparently duped everyone on his way to hearing his name called by Adam Silver on Thursday night.

Ngombo was first brought to the mainstream's attention by Jonathan Givony of Draft Express earlier in the week when he mentioned there was a good chance that the Congolese native could get drafted out of Qatar (stay with me now). Timberwolves scout Pete Philo apparently discovered Ngombo and convinced Kahn he was worthy of a draft pick while assuming the small forward was only 21 as it says on his NBA.com page.

New revelations have shown that Ngombo is actually 26, a fact easily confirmed by looking at Qatar's roster on the FIBA website in anticipation of the 2012 Olympics in London. This makes Ngombo ineligible to be drafted according to both Givony and ESPN's John Hollinger.

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:40 pm 
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The Knicks, on the other hand, I did not like what they did. Shumpert is a big, physical guard who was forced to handle the ball for Georgia Tech, but really is not a point guard. He has some crazy athleticism and should be fine on the defensive side of the ball, but I do not believe he has enough offensive game to really be an impact player. I've heard and read Tony Allen comparisons, and in time he could prove a similar player, but I don't buy them.

It must have been really hard passing up Fareid. The Knicks really could have used his rebounding, toughness, and defensive presence. He would have fit perfectly in a small lineup at the 4 with Amare at the 5. No team would have had a more athletic front court if the Knicks could have paired the two. Now, Fareid will have no offensive game in the NBA and teams will find ways to exploit this, but he will impact positively no matter what he does on offense.

I think the Knicks got took because of a couple workouts.


I disagree with this. Shumperts game will shine in this offense. He can hit the open jumper and he will get open set shot looks. He can drive to the hoop and he can defend a lot of positions. This kid will shine. Fareid is undersized. The need a bigger presence on the court to move Stoudamire out of the 5. Harrelson works well for that.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:22 pm 
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Shumpert has a pretty inconsistent jump shot and has never shot a good percentage in college. I actually had it pegged as one of his weaknesses when looking over him. Perhaps he will thrive playing more without the ball and shooting from a spot up position, but I can't say I see it. Maybe D'Antoni tweaks his shot a little and they find the hole more often -- I don't know. I see him as more of a slasher on offense, and one who has been known to play out of control and have no conscience when it comes to shot selection. He may end up a defensive presence, though, so there is that.

And Faried is undersized. Yup. But I don't think that will matter much.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:24 pm 
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And if Harrelson makes the roster I would be surprised. But, then again the Knicks did carry Andy Rautins for an entire year, so I cannot put it past them.

Harrelson sets a good screen that is for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:07 pm 
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Shumpert has a pretty inconsistent jump shot and has never shot a good percentage in college. I actually had it pegged as one of his weaknesses when looking over him. Perhaps he will thrive playing more without the ball and shooting from a spot up position, but I can't say I see it. Maybe D'Antoni tweaks his shot a little and they find the hole more often -- I don't know. I see him as more of a slasher on offense, and one who has been known to play out of control and have no conscience when it comes to shot selection. He may end up a defensive presence, though, so there is that.

And Faried is undersized. Yup. But I don't think that will matter much.

Shumpert's shot is a question but not his open looks. He hits them when he is open. I like what I saw with Faried but he is just a guy who rebounds and really isn't what the team needs. They need a guy that occupies space that alter shots, rebounds and moves Stoudamire out of the 5. Faried is not that guy. I think Harrelson will make this team. I thinnk his "game" is what the Knicks need.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:48 pm 
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Az has been pretty spot on with his evaluations thus far (and it is really early). Harrelson made the squad and brings some energy when he is in but he needs to reign in the shot selection.

Shumpert has been very impressive. I might have missed this one completely. He has to finish better around the rim, but he has shown good form on the J and is as good as advertised on defense and athletically. In fact, he is better than the scouting reports I read. I think he is a better player than Fields and will eventually push Fields out of the starting 5. Iman is playing a fine game tonight (as a Net fan and wet blanket, I must point out the game is somewhat out of hand and they are in semi-garbage time). Of course as I type this he may have injured his left leg.

Shake the little injury bug and the Knicks have a fine prospect who can play meaningful minutes in the NBA today.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:59 pm 
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People can say I'm biased but of rookies who are getting solid minutes (15+ a night), Brooks has been the most impressive rookie so far, especially considering where he was drafted. Rubio, Irving, Morris, and Shumpert (granted just 2 games) have been petty good too.


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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:12 pm 
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I'm waiting a little while to see what type of scorer Brooks will turn out to be. Will he continue to have questionable shot selection? Is he a volume scorer? Can he finish after contact around the rim? Can he slash to the rim consistently? Can he score in catch and shoot situations? Can he get to the line and can he make his foul shots at a high level when he gets there?

It will take time to figure out the answers to those questions, but right now he looks really good. There are a lot of people who can score in the NBA. Tons of guys get numbers on bad teams. The one's who can do it and win are the really special players. Let us hope Brooks turns out to be a winner.

I'd put MarShon number 2 to Ricky Rubio right now in my rookie rankings and that is because Rubio has looked fantastic. That is pretty sweet for the Nets though. MarShon has looked better than pretty much everyone picked before him in his draft. Kyrie has been good and perhaps has the harder job to run the point, but he has lacked efficiency to his scoring and has been turnover prone. MarShon is one of the older rookies in this class, so that is something to chew on when comparing them too.

Some have gotten to calling him Swag. Can't say I like it, but it fits.

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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:49 pm 
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Brooks' tunnel-vision is his biggest weakness so far; he can score and his wingspan helps him with rebounding some, but his shot selection has been questionable. Needs to create more for others.


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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:18 pm 
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After seeing Ricky Rubio tonight on NBA TV, I have to take back that Brooks comment. Rubio looks tremendous out there. Wolves aren't even close to hanging with the Bulls in this game without him.


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 Post subject: Re: THE NBA DRAFT THREAD 2011
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:41 pm 
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Rubio is a good one that is for sure. He alone is worth watching the Wolves. They improve dramatically when he is out there. I think he could be an all-star this year and a deserving one at that.

He is a pure point guard and it is a joy to watch him carve up defenses. The bounce pass is back!

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