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 Post subject: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:16 pm 
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David Stern has finally gone too far by vetoing the Chris Paul trade, giving into pressure from small market owners and the league, which is hoping to sell the franchise with Chris Paul as the star. Still, Paul is going to leave after this year anyway, so it is all for naught. This is a desperate move by a desperate commissioner, who gave into pressure for owners (yes, I know he works for them), despite what is in the best interest of the league. Looking at the trade, New Orleans actually made out the best, while the Lakers took a huge risk giving up Gasol, giving the reins to Bynum, who can't stay healthy. Now, all the teams need to massage egos and hurt feelings if the trade still does not go through.

Players will almost always want to play in big markets; there are reasons why Carmelo wanted to go to NYC, why D. Howard wants to play in Brooklyn with Deron Williams, KG went to Boston, and the Lakers have always had great players back to West, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, etc. The argument is the lockout was supposed to keep superstars with small market teams, however, when Paul has already said he was leaving why not get the most you can for him? When the league took over, the GM was told he was able to make all the moves he wanted unhibitied, now he has been castrated by Stern. Yet where was the outrage last season when the Hornets added payroll in a trade and the only owner to speak out was Mark Cuban. What hypocrisy! We'll complain when it suits our needs but when it doesn't we won't care. The NBA, which had a great season last year and was extremely entertaining for even the casual fan has killed all momentum with the lockout and has now shown they are even more of a joke, while Stern has shown he longer has any power.


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 Post subject: Re: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:14 am 
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Well, he got one helluva return from the Clippers. Gordon and Kaman are solid along with unprotected draft pick of the T'Wolves and Al-Farouq Aminu has great potential. Even as somebody who loves Luis Scola, this return was the better deal for the Hornets.

Of course, you gave Donald Sterling a marquee player in a transaction where it did not involve his team lucky out in the draft. Sadly the CP3-Blake connection could be short-lived for that very reason as the biggest tragedy is the fact that man still owns a basketball team.

I do agree this precedent is dangerous and if I were Jerry Buss, I would consider all of the possible legal windows over how his team got screwed over. That trade was no more egregious than the Garnett deal or the Gasol deal the Lakers had with Memphis which supposedly involved owners ok'ing their GMs to make those deals.

And Dan Gilbert should just shut up and let the LeBron issue go.


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 Post subject: Re: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:57 pm 
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Well, he got one helluva return from the Clippers. Gordon and Kaman are solid along with unprotected draft pick of the T'Wolves and Al-Farouq Aminu has great potential. Even as somebody who loves Luis Scola, this return was the better deal for the Hornets.

Of course, you gave Donald Sterling a marquee player in a transaction where it did not involve his team lucky out in the draft. Sadly the CP3-Blake connection could be short-lived for that very reason as the biggest tragedy is the fact that man still owns a basketball team.

I do agree this precedent is dangerous and if I were Jerry Buss, I would consider all of the possible legal windows over how his team got screwed over. That trade was no more egregious than the Garnett deal or the Gasol deal the Lakers had with Memphis which supposedly involved owners ok'ing their GMs to make those deals.

And Dan Gilbert should just shut up and let the LeBron issue go.


There can't be legal windows--the league owns the Hornets.


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 Post subject: Re: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:36 am 
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Well, he got one helluva return from the Clippers. Gordon and Kaman are solid along with unprotected draft pick of the T'Wolves and Al-Farouq Aminu has great potential. Even as somebody who loves Luis Scola, this return was the better deal for the Hornets.

Of course, you gave Donald Sterling a marquee player in a transaction where it did not involve his team lucky out in the draft. Sadly the CP3-Blake connection could be short-lived for that very reason as the biggest tragedy is the fact that man still owns a basketball team.

I do agree this precedent is dangerous and if I were Jerry Buss, I would consider all of the possible legal windows over how his team got screwed over. That trade was no more egregious than the Garnett deal or the Gasol deal the Lakers had with Memphis which supposedly involved owners ok'ing their GMs to make those deals.

And Dan Gilbert should just shut up and let the LeBron issue go.


Bah. The Laker trade proposal did not make the Hornets more attractive to buy and that is Stern's most pressing concern and will always be until he sells the team and Buss should not pursue legal means since he has been on the receiving end on most egregious deals including outwardly courting Shaq while he was under contract.
I am actually happy that someone stopped the Laker machine from taking what they want. That trade for Paul would have set them up for a trade for Howard creating another 3 superstar team and doing exactly what the lockout was suppose to prevent.

Dan Gilbert should definitely not shut up. This league is controlled by agents more than players and owners and that is wrong and needs to change. BTW Michael Jordan is in total agreement with Gilbert.

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 Post subject: Re: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:11 am 
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Ya know, I definitely spoke too soon on this. I guess none of us knew that the Clippers had this in the works and for the first time in their history may be more relevant than the Lakers should Kobe's knee falter. However, it still is a dangerous precendent set by a commissioner. Could you imagine the backlash had Selig vetoed a trade by the Dodgers? I know it is only a similar situation not the same, however, the repercussions are still the same. It would have been a nightmare for the league if they didn't get a steal for Paul and Howard, if he isn't traded, as the entire lockout was essentially over small market teams. Still, when the league took over the Hornets they said they would not interfere with day-to-day operations of the club, which it seems they have. It also sends a sign to big market teams that if you make a trade and it isn't fair, we can veto it. That must not sit well with the Lakers, Knicks, and Celtics.


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 Post subject: Re: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:19 pm 
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Not shockingly, the Clippers look like a good offensive team so far.... defensively, not so much. Besides the defense though, they still need some tweaks. For one, hey need to keep Paul, Griffin, and Butler well-rested so that they aren't running on fumes come April. Outside of last night's blowout win against Houston, Del Negro has been riding them into the ground. Secondly, and maybe this ties into why they are eating up a lot of minutes, their bench is rather unimpressive. Foye and Mo-Will are solid backup guards, but other than that, it's a crop of bleh with Gomes, Cook, and Thompkins, and I'm not sure there is even a true center in there, which is an area of need for when Jordan gets into foul trouble for his bone-headedness or needs a breather.


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 Post subject: Re: Stern Finally Goes Too Far-Paul Trade
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:16 pm 
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He vetoes the Paul trade and then lets the Warriors and Rockets cut the league's best point guard? Really looks bad.


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