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Nets '12 Thread

Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:05 pm

Hopefully this thread turns into Nets Got #12 Thread, but until then we got MarShon to watch.

The team has looked like hot garbage. We cannot score the ball, except MarShon and Deron.

Avery still has crazy rotations and will not stick with a consistent lineup. Part of that is the shortened training camp, part is due to the lack of quality bigs, and the rest is because he is nuts. He has been starting Sundiata Gaines along with Deron Williams. What is he thinking? Hmm, let us take our All-World point guard and move him off the ball for Sundiata Gaines. And I like Yata. But, he is a backup or third string player that does not deserve to start and probably doesn't deserve minutes over Jordan Farmar.

Anthony Morrow and Jordan Farmar have yet to crack the rotation and probably deserve minutes. A starting 5 of Deron, Morrow, Damion James, Kris Humphries, and Mehmet Okur does not sound terrible, but I do not think that team has seen the floor together at all this season. Then MarShon can come in as 6th man and hoist up some shots and Shawne Williams can be the first big off the bench or take James if James is struggling on D.

For one game it would be nice to see Avery run with an 8 man rotation. Last night he used 10 guys in the first half without anyone being in foul trouble.

Stop messing with stuff and let them play.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:03 pm

MarShon with the start tonight in Boston. He's responded very well so far. 7-13 FG for 16 points with 6 minutes left in the 3rd. Celtics have been doubling him in the second half.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:36 pm

It was a game tonight, until the C's broke it open in the 3rd.

Damion James didn't start the second half and you could see him wincing while walking on the same foot he broke last year. That doesn't look good.

And MarShon rolled his ankle, so his night is likely done and he could miss a couple games.

It's tough being a Nets fan. At least the Knicks are losing by double figures to the Bobcats (even though Iman Shumpert is looking good).

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:38 pm

At least Avery Johnson appears to finally realize Brooks and Williams are a good backcourt, so I'm eager to see them get more minutes together. The two looked fantastic together the other night against Indiana.

Sundiata Gaines has also been a brightspot as a backup guard, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to say he's better than Farmar; while Gaines is a better rebounder, Farmar is a better passer, foul-shooter, and is a bigger 3-point threat. It's kind of unfortunate how Farmar is basically out of the rotation (when D-Will is healthy, that is), but at least Gaines isn't a bad player taking his spot.

But up front the team is a disaster without The Hump and Brook. Okur isn't rebounding or shooting as good as he should, and James, while a sound defensive player, is a total sieve on offense. I don't know long Hump will be out for, I believe he's just day-to-day, but I'd like to see them get Horner and Jordan Williams more minutes in absence of him; Shell Steak (Shelden) is another player who just can't be counted on to do anything on the offensive side of things.

When everybody is healthy, SF is the team's most glaring weakness; they have a bunch of guys who can slide in that position, but none of them are even close to ideal starters.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:41 pm

D-Will and The Hump are returning tonight, thankfully. James it out with a foot injury, Stevenson is replacing him. That's fine since, unlike James, he's not a turnover machine and is a 3-point threat while being a solid defender. Hopefully Brooks can play, though I'm just glad his ankle injury isn't more severe than it looked in Boston.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:55 pm

I just watched a full Net game for the first time in the MLK matinee at the Clippers.

I write this with the caveat that it's dangerous to draw too much from one game, especially at the end of a long road trip.

But Deron Williams was unimpressive to me. Sure, he showed flashes of why he's considered so good.

But he also missed clutch free throws after the Nets, who trailed by 15 after one and never led came all the way back to tie late in the 4th. And he missed some open jumpers with the game on the line, too.

While this is the first game I've seen in full, I also heard the reports that he came up small in his return to Utah and I've heard other reports of him having really ugly shooting nights.

He's in a position where, typical of NBA superstars, his every whim is being catered to off the court.

He already forced his way out of Utah and the Nets are doing everything they can to make him happy, right up to Billy King consulting him on personnel moves.

As far as I'm concerned, that kind of treatment means you play like a superstar when your team has a chance to win.
He didn't do that today and, based on the reports, I don't think he's done so enough.

And in the end, it won't matter what he does on this inferior team, because he'll get paid a lot of money on a new deal and if he's on a good team, he'll probably give the kind of effort that wins close games.

That's the way it is in the NBA.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:54 pm

D-Will was a monster vs Phoenix on Thursday. He did struggle the next night versus Utah, but to be fair, he logged 40+ minutes in that Phoenix game, and a lot of players have been inconsistent like that in back-to-backs with the wild schedule. To add, before the Utah game, his previous 5 games were actually really good; he had a double-double in 4 of them and 24 points and 9 assists in the other.

The biggest area of weakness in his game so far has been his shooting, which continues an odd trend from last season after he got dealt to New Jersey. But it's hard to take a sample of less than 25 total games and say he's lost his shot or anything like that, especially when his free throw and 3-point rates are right in line with his career averages. His assists are also down but I blame that more on poor teammates. Perhaps even the shooting issues can be associated to poor play from his teammates; it does seem like he tries to force shots at times.

I think he'll be fine, but I'm pretty skeptical the Nets will end up retaining him. If a team like the Mavericks or Lakers pull off a trade for Dwight Howard, the Nets will almost certainly have to trade D-Will before they lose him for nothing in free agency.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:45 pm

The Nets are coming off their first win at home versus the Warriors. I thought the ball movement on offense was much better, but that could be because the Warriors are not a strong defensive team. They allow their opponents to get to spots on the floor with relative ease and do not have a strong defensive presence save for maybe Dorell Wright.

MarShon had perhaps his best game as a pro. He scored 22 points on 8-15 shooting and added 8 boards and 6 assists. Deron Williams also played a fine game and came up big multiple times down the stretch. Whatever other weaknesses the Nets have, they have one of the better backcourts in the NBA (if not the best) with Williams and MarShon.

It is sounding more and more like Deron will only stay if the Nets can get Dwight Howard. At this point I would still deal anything for Dwight, but with each passing game it is getting harder and harder to deal MarShon. He has been very consistent all year and even after teams have tried to take away his right hand he still is making shots at an impressive clip. He is really impressive in ISO sets, and he is a fine play maker off the pick and roll. Now, it would probably be foolish to let him spoil any deal for Dwight, but he should make Billy King think twice before pulling the trigger.

The team plays a fun game tonight against one of the better teams in the NBA, the Thunder. I fully expect it to be lopsided in favor of the Thunder, but that is why they play the games.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:19 pm

The Nets lost last night in Indiana to a solid Pacer team. They mounted a nice 4th quarter comeback with strong shooting efforts from Anthony Morrow and Deron Williams, but it fell short.

Injuries have hit the Nets hard. MarShon Brooks is now out indefinitely with a broken toe and DeShawn Stevenson is out with a knee injury. They have signed Keith Bogans to help the depth on the wing. I like the signing. We need a strong defensive presence on the wing, and while Bogans is probably not the stopper we need, he has a reputation for playing defense at a high level. I have not seen him play very much, but I will trust the scouting reports on this. He won't create anything on offense, but can spot up from the corner and hit the 3. I was actually kind of surprised he was a free agent.

Game tonight against Lawrence Frank and his Pistons, who were just blown out by the Knicks last night. If the Nets have any hope of making the playoffs, this is a game they should win.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:21 am

So Deron Williams set a new Nets record for scoring in a game with 57 against the Bobcats.

I guess it's time to retract my mid-January comment that he wasn't playing like the superstar he's going to be paid like.

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:33 pm

I've watched pretty much every game this year. This is a bad team. There was never much hope to make the playoffs. There haven't been many reasons to watch...until we signed Gerald Green. He is not a human. He threw down the best dunk I've seen this year on an alley to the oop from MarShon against the Rockets. But, not only did he throw down with great force, he freakin' windmilled it with great force.

He has always had the rep for lacking the qualities of true pro, but who cares? He can shoot. He has more athletic talent than everyone in the entire world. He has put up numbers in limited minutes. And he can windmill an alley-oop then look down at the rim.

Why just dunk an alley-oop when you can windmill it?

Re: Nets '12 Thread

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:00 pm

There is a rumor now floating that Dwight Howard has told the Magic he will opt-in to his final year and play 2012-2013 in Orlando.

Of course, this makes almost 0 sense, so take it for what its worth, but that would absolutely blow up the Nets big plans. And seemingly contradict all the momentum that had been building over the past few days that Dwight to NJ was inevitable this offseason.
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