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 Post subject: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:24 pm 
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This post is not meant to bash the NBA, just my opinion on the league right now. I am a Knicks fan and I loved watching them as a kid in the 90's (I'm 25). Their matchups with the Heat, Pacers, and Bulls were great to watch. With the Knicks returning to relevance over the past few years I just can't seem to get back into the sport like when I was younger:

The league is very predictable, which hurts its appeal IMO. Next year you can pretty much count on the Heat/Bulls and Thunder/Lakers being in the finals. I have zero confidence in the Knicks being able to beat a fully healthy Heat team. Not to get on the Nets as a Knicks fan, but I feel the same about their team. Upsets are very, very rare.

The league is run by star players. In the NFL, MLB, and NHL you build your teams through the draft. Unless you get lucky and get a Lebron, Durant, Duncan, etc. in the draft it is extremely hard to build your team. Most of the time you are lucky if you can find a rotation player. This makes so many teams irrelevant because they are in a small market and won't attract a big FA and they won't draft high enough (or get lucky to get a superstar). It has to be hard to be a fan of the Bobcats, Suns, Raptors, Warriors...How are you going to be a championship contender?

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:52 pm 
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You hit some darn good points home. It is a tough game to compete in if you do not have star players.

But, the sport of basketball is so good. When played correctly and fluently it is a beautiful, coordinated 5 man attack against the opposition. Watching an end-to-end fast break culminate in a layup is like eating a tasteful portion of a hot fudge sundae that includes all the toppings. I love the game of basketball.

The NBA could be so much better, I think. Maybe let the guys play a little more. Allow more contact outside the paint to slow down the offense on the perimeter. Tweak the block and charge call to avoid awarding floppers (cough...Shane Battier...cough). And maybe try to transition the game back to more of a full court game. But, the game of basketball is so beautiful that even with the rules imposed by the NBA, it cannot be ruined and it is still highly enjoyable.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:40 am 
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5 man attack, hahahahaha.

The league is ruled by spoiled brat divas who whine and bitch when they don't get the ball 90% of the time (HI MELO!)

I watched EVERY game during Linsanity, and it looked like the basketball I loved from the mid-late 90s. Then Melo comes back and it's instantly back to the boring 1 on 1 isos. Lin is negated and YAWN ensues.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:57 am 
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My interest in the NBA has never been lower, and I agree with the above posts. It comes off to someone who doesn't follow closely as a league with 15-20 really good players who matter, and get press, and constantly complain and whine and brag, and the rest don't matter.

I haven't found anything to bring me back in for a while now. With the same 4 teams at the top of the league for the foreseeable future, I'm not sure that's likely to happen soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:10 pm 
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tejdog1 wrote:
5 man attack, hahahahaha.

The league is ruled by spoiled brat divas who whine and bitch when they don't get the ball 90% of the time (HI MELO!)

I watched EVERY game during Linsanity, and it looked like the basketball I loved from the mid-late 90s. Then Melo comes back and it's instantly back to the boring 1 on 1 isos. Lin is negated and YAWN ensues.

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Hmmm... It was pretty much Linn going 1 on 1 when Melo was out.
Melo >Linn any day of the week and I like Linn.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:47 pm 
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tejdog1 wrote:
5 man attack, hahahahaha.

The league is ruled by spoiled brat divas who whine and bitch when they don't get the ball 90% of the time (HI MELO!)

I watched EVERY game during Linsanity, and it looked like the basketball I loved from the mid-late 90s. Then Melo comes back and it's instantly back to the boring 1 on 1 isos. Lin is negated and YAWN ensues.


Jeremy Lin's run was basically him running isos all game long.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:29 am 
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--Walt Frazier, Monroe, DeBusschere,

--Bernard King, Ernie Grunfeld (they stunk, but were fun to watch)

--Oakley, Ewing, Jackson, Starks, etc...

--Stoudamire, Chandler...uh...Anthony...? Oops, Carmelo fits better with the mistake teams of the 2000s

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:24 pm 
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Melo was not great last year, but he is clearly the best player on the Knicks right now. And by far the best player they have had since Ewing.

Do not sell him short. Melo averaged 27.8 ppg and 8.2 rpg in the playoffs. Amare, while playing hurt and stupid in the playoffs, averaged 15.3 ppg and 6.5 rpg. Chandler shot 44%, grabbed 9.0 boards, and averaged 6.2 ppg in the playoffs. Melo is not the shrinking violet of the group.

NCAA National Champion, 5 time All-NBA, 5 time All-Star, bronze medal winner, gold medal winner, and has never missed the playoffs since entering the NBA. Get him a supporting cast worthy of playing alongside him.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:55 am 
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Oh right, guess you all forgot all the plays he made for Chandler and Novak and Jefferies and etc...

It WAS NOT all Lin running isos.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:57 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
Oh right, guess you all forgot all the plays he made for Chandler and Novak and Jefferies and etc...

It WAS NOT all Lin running isos.

It definitely was.
Linn is a PG. He did do well but the Linsanity was his isos his driving to the net. Hs band aid on his chin his attacking penetrating style of offense that he at times used to dish out to players like Novak and Chandelr who cannot create on their own.
Again I liked that and like Linn. Felton is also a good at penetrating and disher.

I do not know where the melo bashing is coming from. melo is by far and away the best player on this team and one of the elite players in the NBA.

His job is not to do what Linn did. His job was to dominate the offense. The Knicks do not run the offense through melo like the Heat do with LeBron or even how the Bulls did through Pippen. The Knicks run their offense TO melo and for the vast majority of the season he did what was asked including in the playoffs... score.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:12 pm 
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The difference is, IMO, is Melo can't live without that. There's no way his ego will not let the offense go through/to him 90% of the time. And that's my issue with him.

Lin played teamball, Melo cannot/will not.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall opinion on the NBA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:08 am 
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Offenses run through Melo because when they do they are efficient and offer a good chance of scoring.

Lin ran a lot of ISOs, but no more than any player who is adept at creating buckets in the NBA. He was able to run them with flair and involve others after his penetration. A lot of high screens were set at the top of the key and that allowed Lin to penetrate to score or dish. These high screens would also allow him to isolate should a favorable defensive switch come about. Melo operates from the wing and looks to score first. Melo is at his best when others create an opening for him to exploit and he can finish for a hoop.

Melo possessed the ball much less than Lin, Melo just shoots more. Melo is much more likely to isolate on his possessions than Lin was, but each player is effective as an option to isolate. The differences lie in the locations both players operate on the floor and Melo is looking to shoot, while Lin involves others after he beats his man and the rotation comes.

To my eye, the Knicks operated a more team oriented offensive approach when the Linvasion was ongoing even though it was mostly one man dominating the ball. Then after Lin was injured, the team did not have the pieces to continue running such an offense. That caused Melo to shoulder more of the burden and take on responsibilities that do not fit perfectly with his game.

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