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Are the Blueshirts the Favorites in the Atlantic?
Poll ended at Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:18 pm
Yes 82%  82%  [ 9 ]
No 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:58 am 
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Robot Devil wrote:
I don't think adding Drury and Gomez makes up 13 points in the standings.

The Rangers' hot finish is clouding the perception of how good this hockey team actually is.

I think they'll finish behind the Devils in the standings, and end up right around the middle of the top 8 in the East next year.


Based on what? Why because Zubrus is an upgrade over Gomez? God forbid New Jersey actually keeps a coach for an entire season. Let Lou take over in May and watch his team drown with the other mediocre teams.


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Softwhere wrote:
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A defensivemen away from the favorite of all of the NHL.

Yea.. OK.
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My team looks better than yours.


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aeroclearica wrote:
Softwhere wrote:
Azmetaholic wrote:
A defensivemen away from the favorite of all of the NHL.

Yea.. OK.
:lol:


My team looks better than yours.

Looks aren't everything..The Rangers have looked better (on paper) then most teams since 1995, see what they have to show for it. The fact is that the blueshirts over paid for two very good, not great, players and now will have little to no flexibility when it comes to payroll. In fact, they will soon have to have a fire sale, see Cullen to Carolina, so they can afford their luxuries.

IMO, the Rangers are a middle of the pack playoff team, not an elite team as some are making it sound. They can just as easily finish fifth in the Atlantic as they could finish 2nd.

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aeroclearica wrote:
Robot Devil wrote:
I don't think adding Drury and Gomez makes up 13 points in the standings.

The Rangers' hot finish is clouding the perception of how good this hockey team actually is.

I think they'll finish behind the Devils in the standings, and end up right around the middle of the top 8 in the East next year.


Based on what? Why because Zubrus is an upgrade over Gomez? God forbid New Jersey actually keeps a coach for an entire season. Let Lou take over in May and watch his team drown with the other mediocre teams.


Based on the fact that the Rangers were not a good hockey team the majority of last season. And I don't think Drury and Gomez make them so much better that I'm ready to pencil them into #1 seed in the East just yet.

Hockey is a team game that is played on ice, not paper.

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Just trying to have a little fun here, hope no one took anything I said seriously. Yes, as a Ranger fan, I should know enough not to get too excited about an offseason especially considering their track record over the past decade or so. I don't think it's fair to say that they overpaid for Drury and Gomez, because both would've gotten similar deals anywhere else they signed.

I do take issue with the fact that some of you are acting absent-minded about the fact that this team has taken strides over the past two seasons, have done so with an influx of some of their younger players, changed their philosophy and continue to head in the right direction while adding a couple of proven winners still in their prime to a relatively solid mix. Obviously, they still have to prove that they're a better team than the one that appears on paper but I feel like they have a chance to be. At this point it's still too early to declare which team should be considered a favorite at anything, so let's not.


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aeroclearica wrote:
Just trying to have a little fun here, hope no one took anything I said seriously. Yes, as a Ranger fan, I should know enough not to get too excited about an offseason especially considering their track record over the past decade or so. I don't think it's fair to say that they overpaid for Drury and Gomez, because both would've gotten similar deals anywhere else they signed.

I do take issue with the fact that some of you are acting absent-minded about the fact that this team has taken strides over the past two seasons, have done so with an influx of some of their younger players, changed their philosophy and continue to head in the right direction while adding a couple of proven winners still in their prime to a relatively solid mix. Obviously, they still have to prove that they're a better team than the one that appears on paper but I feel like they have a chance to be. At this point it's still too early to declare which team should be considered a favorite at anything, so let's not.

Hey I am a blue shirts fan and they were my team for 17 years, they are now only second to my Hurricanes. That said, I see what you are saying but I also have to disagree that "the philosophy" has changed. It appears that it changed only because Sather was forced to due to the salary cap, but now that he had a little room he is reverting back to his ways. time will tell if they are more successful, but Sather has not changed his ways and this off-season was proof of that.

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I might be joining this conversation a little too late, but here's my $0.02.

The signing of the two centers seems great...on paper. I had the displeasure of watching Chris Drury closely during his short tenure in Calgary and to a lesser extent in Buffalo. He is an exciting player who will give you his fair share of highlight reel goals and amazing plays, but will disappear for the majority of his icetime. He will be one of the most frustrating players on the ice.

With Gomez, you get a playmaker. No more, no less. Excellent passer, great hands, good on the PP, excellent vision on the ice. Sounds a lot like Nylander, except Nylander found the net more often. On the Gomez plus side though, he will give the Rangers much needed playoff experience. And if he plays with Jagr...well, that's just a scary combo.

Overall, I think Gomez will impress and Drury will do his usual, but will be a dissapointment because in actuality he is not that good.

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One thing to keep in mind about Gomez:

In the three seasons in which the Devils made the Finals he had 36 points in 72 games with 12 goals in those playoffs.

He's been better in recent years, but the Devils have played a lot of big playoff games since Scotty broke in in '99, for many of which he pulled a disappearing act. He had 3 goals in 24 playoff games in '03 when the team had to lean on the likes of Jeff Friesen and Jaime Langenbrunner for scoring.

The idea that he's coming to the Rangers as a big-time playoff performer is simply wrong.

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Softwhere wrote:
aeroclearica wrote:
Just trying to have a little fun here, hope no one took anything I said seriously. Yes, as a Ranger fan, I should know enough not to get too excited about an offseason especially considering their track record over the past decade or so. I don't think it's fair to say that they overpaid for Drury and Gomez, because both would've gotten similar deals anywhere else they signed.

I do take issue with the fact that some of you are acting absent-minded about the fact that this team has taken strides over the past two seasons, have done so with an influx of some of their younger players, changed their philosophy and continue to head in the right direction while adding a couple of proven winners still in their prime to a relatively solid mix. Obviously, they still have to prove that they're a better team than the one that appears on paper but I feel like they have a chance to be. At this point it's still too early to declare which team should be considered a favorite at anything, so let's not.

Hey I am a blue shirts fan and they were my team for 17 years, they are now only second to my Hurricanes. That said, I see what you are saying but I also have to disagree that "the philosophy" has changed. It appears that it changed only because Sather was forced to due to the salary cap, but now that he had a little room he is reverting back to his ways. time will tell if they are more successful, but Sather has not changed his ways and this off-season was proof of that.


By saying their philosophy has changed, I really was referring to the defensive-minded approach that Renney emphasized for the final month push and playoffs. Who knows if it'll carry through next season, but they were a much better team when there was more attention to detail in their own zone.


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aeroclearica wrote:
Softwhere wrote:
aeroclearica wrote:
Just trying to have a little fun here, hope no one took anything I said seriously. Yes, as a Ranger fan, I should know enough not to get too excited about an offseason especially considering their track record over the past decade or so. I don't think it's fair to say that they overpaid for Drury and Gomez, because both would've gotten similar deals anywhere else they signed.

I do take issue with the fact that some of you are acting absent-minded about the fact that this team has taken strides over the past two seasons, have done so with an influx of some of their younger players, changed their philosophy and continue to head in the right direction while adding a couple of proven winners still in their prime to a relatively solid mix. Obviously, they still have to prove that they're a better team than the one that appears on paper but I feel like they have a chance to be. At this point it's still too early to declare which team should be considered a favorite at anything, so let's not.

Hey I am a blue shirts fan and they were my team for 17 years, they are now only second to my Hurricanes. That said, I see what you are saying but I also have to disagree that "the philosophy" has changed. It appears that it changed only because Sather was forced to due to the salary cap, but now that he had a little room he is reverting back to his ways. time will tell if they are more successful, but Sather has not changed his ways and this off-season was proof of that.


By saying their philosophy has changed, I really was referring to the defensive-minded approach that Renney emphasized for the final month push and playoffs. Who knows if it'll carry through next season, but they were a much better team when there was more attention to detail in their own zone.

OK...With that I agree.

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Softwhere wrote:
aeroclearica wrote:
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Azmetaholic wrote:
A defensivemen away from the favorite of all of the NHL.

Yea.. OK.
:lol:


My team looks better than yours.

Looks aren't everything..The Rangers have looked better (on paper) then most teams since 1995, see what they have to show for it. The fact is that the blueshirts over paid for two very good, not great, players and now will have little to no flexibility when it comes to payroll. In fact, they will soon have to have a fire sale, see Cullen to Carolina, so they can afford their luxuries.
IMO, the Rangers are a middle of the pack playoff team, not an elite team as some are making it sound. They can just as easily finish third in the Atlanatic as they could finish 1st.


Call it intuition!
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/639900.html

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It looks like the blue shirts are in fact teh favorite in the East, but only to beat on. :twisted:

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