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Seems like people only post in here after the Rangers lose. 6-0-2 in their last 8. This team is good again.


thats mostly true. I'm sure softwhere will stop by after last night. i'm glad jagr seems to have woken up.


I did not see one minute of the game as I was on a plane, but the result was certainly not good. :(

My understanding from reading the papers this morning was that the Rangers controlled the play for the 1st period and a half going up 3-0, but then the Canes woke up and took it to the Rangers for the rest of the game. Hank and a very pretty goal by Shannahan saved the game for the Rangers.

Is this about right?


I was only able to watch the highlights on nhl.com so I'm not sure, but at one point I think the Canes announcer called it a sluggish game, or something to that effect


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Softwhere wrote:
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Seems like people only post in here after the Rangers lose. 6-0-2 in their last 8. This team is good again.


thats mostly true. I'm sure softwhere will stop by after last night. i'm glad jagr seems to have woken up.


I did not see one minute of the game as I was on a plane, but the result was certainly not good. :(

My understanding from reading the papers this morning was that the Rangers controlled the play for the 1st period and a half going up 3-0, but then the Canes woke up and took it to the Rangers for the rest of the game. Hank and a very pretty goal by Shannahan saved the game for the Rangers.

Is this about right?


I'd say that's a fairly accurate depiction of how the game went. Part of the reason why Carolina was able to come back in this game was because Christian Backman was AWFUL and took four bad penalties (including a high sticking double minor that was mistakenly called on Staal). The Canes are an explosive team, one who was hot and even hotter at home, so I was pretty thrilled with this win. Ward didn't have a bad game, he was a victim of some costly turnovers and not a lot of help in front of the net. The Avery-Dubinsky-Jagr line continues to click and is probably the best line we've had all season.


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Hey Aero,
I Just finished talking to a buddy of mine who was at the game last night and he said the Canes were just aweful in the 1st period, and were lucky the Rangers didn't go up 3 or 4 to zilch going into the 2nd period. :oops:

He also said that Avery is a little girl because not once but twice refused to fight Walker eventhough Walker had dropped his gloves. He said the 1st time was after Avery delivered a late hit on Aucoin and Walker challenged Avery, who like a little girly-man refused to fight. Then they went at it a gain late in the period and once again Avery would not fight. For a guy who always talks trash and takes liberties with other players on the ice, he certainly acted like a little girl.

Aero, can you tell me why the little girl was afraid?

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Hey Aero,
I Just finished talking to a buddy of mine who was at the game last night and he said the Canes were just aweful in the 1st period, and were lucky the Rangers didn't go up 3 or 4 to zilch going into the 2nd period. :oops:

He also said that Avery is a little girl because not once but twice refused to fight Walker eventhough Walker had dropped his gloves. He said the 1st time was after Avery delivered a late hit on Aucoin and Walker challenged Avery, who like a little girly-man refused to fight. Then they went at it a gain late in the period and once again Avery would not fight. For a guy who always talks trash and takes liberties with other players on the ice, he certainly acted like a little girl.

Aero, can you tell me why the little girl was afraid?


Ehh, I'm not really sure about the first time. If I remember correctly, I think Avery was willing to go but for some reason the linesmen broke it up prematurely. Uhh the second time, it was obvious that Walker just wanted to drop the gloves for no reason and Avery wanted to just avoid the penalty box which was pretty much occupied for most of the second half anyway. By no means is Avery afraid to fight, he does it all the time. But when you're barely clinging onto a lead and momentum has clearly shifted, sometimes it's best to not give in to the other team's play. As a potential first round matchup, Rangers-Canes, I'm sure this Avery-Walker riff will be resolved at some point (and no, I don't expect Sean to shy away from it).


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Aero, to answer your question. I do believe that in the next 2 or 3 years, you will see the Rangers revert back to being a bad team. I just believe that Sather cannot help himself, he already has more then 1/3 of his payroll tied in 3 players for the next 4 years (Gomez, Hank, and Drury) and will need to either re-sign Jagr or replace him with another big name which is Sather's way. The only reason why Sather changed himself during the lockout was because he was forced to, so with money available Sather will go out and find the biggest name and overpay. That is why I believe he will ruin them within a couple years.

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/newyorkrangers.htm

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Softwhere wrote:
Aero, to answer your question. I do believe that in the next 2 or 3 years, you will see the Rangers revert back to being a bad team. I just believe that Sather cannot help himself, he already has more then 1/3 of his payroll tied in 3 players for the next 4 years (Gomez, Hank, and Drury) and will need to either re-sign Jagr or replace him with another big name which is Sather's way. The only reason why Sather changed himself during the lockout was because he was forced to, so with money available Sather will go out and find the biggest name and overpay. That is why I believe he will ruin them within a couple years.

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/newyorkrangers.htm


Fair enough, I respectfully disagree but I guess time will tell on this one.


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Aero, to answer your question. I do believe that in the next 2 or 3 years, you will see the Rangers revert back to being a bad team. I just believe that Sather cannot help himself, he already has more then 1/3 of his payroll tied in 3 players for the next 4 years (Gomez, Hank, and Drury) and will need to either re-sign Jagr or replace him with another big name which is Sather's way. The only reason why Sather changed himself during the lockout was because he was forced to, so with money available Sather will go out and find the biggest name and overpay. That is why I believe he will ruin them within a couple years.

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/newyorkrangers.htm


Fair enough, I respectfully disagree but I guess time will tell on this one.

Do you disagree with them being bad in a couple years or with my take on Sather? Please explain.

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Aero, to answer your question. I do believe that in the next 2 or 3 years, you will see the Rangers revert back to being a bad team. I just believe that Sather cannot help himself, he already has more then 1/3 of his payroll tied in 3 players for the next 4 years (Gomez, Hank, and Drury) and will need to either re-sign Jagr or replace him with another big name which is Sather's way. The only reason why Sather changed himself during the lockout was because he was forced to, so with money available Sather will go out and find the biggest name and overpay. That is why I believe he will ruin them within a couple years.

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/newyorkrangers.htm


Fair enough, I respectfully disagree but I guess time will tell on this one.

Do you disagree with them being bad in a couple years or with my take on Sather? Please explain.


I don't think they will be a bad team mostly because of the fact that they have a relatively young and inexpensive core (those 3 players you mentioned not withstanding). Furthermore, the fact that there is a hard salary cap in place and 3 contracts that roughly make up a third of it will make it dang near impossible for Sather to match his reputation and foolishly throw money around at players he can't really afford.

As a fan who wanted him fired, I can't argue the fact that Sather had done an awful job pre-lockout. But since then there really hasn't been one move he's made I've had a major issue with besides trading for Sandis Ozolinsh. Take this deadline for example, he could've traded away a Callahan, Prucha or Dawes to net a qb on the PP. Maybe in years past he does this and 4 months from now you'd be getting on his case again for giving Brian Campbell 6.5 million a year to help justify a panic move he made in February.

Not to sound like I'm glowing with praise for Sather, I do appreciate how's he handled this team of late despite working for the worst owner in all of professional sports. Maybe they re-sign Jagr, maybe they don't. If they do, I feel it'll be closer to Sather's terms than Jagr's. I'm more concerned about what it'll take to retain guys like Avery and Rozsival. I don't see the Rangers being heavily active in the offseason and if I'm wrong, I welcome you to jump on my case then.


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Aero, to answer your question. I do believe that in the next 2 or 3 years, you will see the Rangers revert back to being a bad team. I just believe that Sather cannot help himself, he already has more then 1/3 of his payroll tied in 3 players for the next 4 years (Gomez, Hank, and Drury) and will need to either re-sign Jagr or replace him with another big name which is Sather's way. The only reason why Sather changed himself during the lockout was because he was forced to, so with money available Sather will go out and find the biggest name and overpay. That is why I believe he will ruin them within a couple years.

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/newyorkrangers.htm


Fair enough, I respectfully disagree but I guess time will tell on this one.

Do you disagree with them being bad in a couple years or with my take on Sather? Please explain.


I don't think they will be a bad team mostly because of the fact that they have a relatively young and inexpensive core (those 3 players you mentioned not withstanding). Furthermore, the fact that there is a hard salary cap in place and 3 contracts that roughly make up a third of it will make it dang near impossible for Sather to match his reputation and foolishly throw money around at players he can't really afford.

As a fan who wanted him fired, I can't argue the fact that Sather had done an awful job pre-lockout. But since then there really hasn't been one move he's made I've had a major issue with besides trading for Sandis Ozolinsh. Take this deadline for example, he could've traded away a Callahan, Prucha or Dawes to net a qb on the PP. Maybe in years past he does this and 4 months from now you'd be getting on his case again for giving Brian Campbell 6.5 million a year to help justify a panic move he made in February.

Not to sound like I'm glowing with praise for Sather, I do appreciate how's he handled this team of late despite working for the worst owner in all of professional sports. Maybe they re-sign Jagr, maybe they don't. If they do, I feel it'll be closer to Sather's terms than Jagr's. I'm more concerned about what it'll take to retain guys like Avery and Rozsival. I don't see the Rangers being heavily active in the offseason and if I'm wrong, I welcome you to jump on my case then.


I can certainly see where you are coming from, but keep in mind that the main reason why they didn't do a big trade at the deadline and get rid of guys like Prucha, Dawes or others was because Sather only had ~$1.7m under the cap to play with. There were very few big name players that that he could obtain under the cap. Its because of the upcoming contracts to the likes of Rozsival and Avery (who I despise), that has me concerned for this team's future. I guess we will see.

Good analysis though Aero.

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Man, the Rangers have finally come together.

How good are they right now? To rip a line from the Sabres' announcers (whom they swept tonight for the first time in 36 years I believe) "scary good!"

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Laugh it up Devil fans


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Make sure you drop by this thread the next time you lose to us.


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aeroclearica wrote:
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Laugh it up Devil fans


:lol:


Make sure you drop by this thread the next time you lose to us.


Bump.

I watched about 2/3rds of the game, as I was watching my Canes at the same time, and all I can say is BORING...

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