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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:59 pm 
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There have been "rumors" all off-season that the FO didn't believe he could have prolonged success.

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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:01 pm 
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If Byrdak is really only out a week or so, this doesn't make much sense. Yeah, Herrera is better than Olson, but you still have to make room for him.
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Rubin actually implies that they're carrying Herrera because they don hint he's better and realize thy will likely lose whoever of th 2 is chosen, if one is chosen, due to th need to DFA and each's ability to refuse an assignment.

Not really a surprise; this front office doesn't seem to like Herrera very much. But they could have kept both by assigning them to AAA and carrying a 40-man arm like Carson. I just don't get why you would force yourself into making a 40-man cut for a guy who will be on the roster for 2 weeks max.


100% with you- been screaming about it all spring.

Let's also not lose sight that Byrdak is 38 and had a career year last year. Not really a given he's anywhere near as good- and again, has a 38 yr old body to maintain thru a season. If th org think is that Edgin needs time, in addition to the 40 man cut, I wouldn't be so quick to toss aside a guy who, at least least, has enjoyed success as a major lg LOOGy and has been better than that in AAA.


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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
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Didn't they trade for him?

And didn't he pitch well?

I dunno. Seems weird.

We've heard almost all offseason that they really aren't crazy for him. Rubin kind of just proved that right now too (see MJ's post). They did cut him in the offseason as well.

I wouldn't put much into the fact they traded for him; that was just a salary dump trade. I don't think Sandy would've complained if he received a bag of balls in return.


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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:16 pm 
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100% with you- been screaming about it all spring.

Like I said, at this point, the best way to go about it is putting Beato and Carrasco on the 60-day DL. Then you just need to make one cut, which should be pretty easy (Arm-Rod).


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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:35 pm 
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I don't like how this is shaping up.

If Byrdak is only out for the first four games, then there's no reason to DFA someone to put Herrera on the roster. Even if the move would just be to put Beato on the 60, there's still no reason to then DFA Herrera when Byrdak returns. If the Mets think he's anywhere near useful, just send him to Buffalo and get by without a lefty for the first 4 games. It's not unfathomable that Herrera would get claimed this time of year.

OTOH, if the Mets truly want 2 lefties in the bullpen, carry an extra bat for the first 4 games (read: Valdespin) rather than adding Batista. And if you don't want to start Jordany's clock (he'll be up this year eventually anyway), recall Satin for the first 4 games.

Sluger's Opening Day roster (with Torres):

Andres Torres - CF
Daniel Murphy - 2B
David Wright - 3B
Ike Davis - 1B
Lucas Duda - RF
Jason Bay - LF
Josh Thole - C
Ruben Tejada - SS
Johan Santana - P

SP: Dickey, Niese, Pelfrey, Gee
RP: Francisco, Rauch, Ramirez, Parnell, Acosta, Batista/Herrera*

Bench: Nickeas, Cedeno, Turner, Baxter, Hairston, Valdespin/Satin#

*Herrera only gets added if the Mets plan on carrying 2 lefties
#Satin over Valdespin if they don't want to start Jordany's clock

When Byrdak is activated, send down Valdespin/Satin, keep Batista/Herrera


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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
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If Byrdak is really only out a week or so, this doesn't make much sense. Yeah, Herrera is better than Olson, but you still have to make room for him. Why make a cut for a 1-2 week player? Would the team really be that much worse carrying Carson for that time?

I have some hope they dump Batista when Byrdak returns but that probably won't happen either.

Right now, we're looking at 3 cuts: one for Baxter, one for Batista, and one for Herrera. I assume Hairston will be ready, so that at least saves a cut.

There is a way around this though; the team could pull a little trickery and stick Carrasco and Beato on the 60-day DL, lessening the amount of required cuts from 3 to 1. Then you cut Arm-Rod.

A lot easier said than done, obviously, but hopefully we see this.



I think it's 2 cuts, cause Mejia's still on the 60 day DL and there's no IR in the off-season so he currently counts as 1 of the 40 but I might be wrong on that.

Mejia comes back in maybe a month, and, at some point they might need 3 catchers - so that's 2 spots to probably open up down the line.

Definitely some roster crunch questions to be addressed.

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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
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I think it's 2 cuts, cause Mejia's still on the 60 day DL and there's no IR in the off-season so he currently counts as 1 of the 40 but I might be wrong on that


Mejia is not on the DL. As you said, there is no DL in the off-season and Mejia was recently optioned down to minor league camp. The Mets have no interest in having him accumulate service time while disabled when he can be on a minor league DL instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
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To be put on the 60 day DL, which he never was last season, he would first need to be recalled to the major league roster and he would accumulate major league service time, and get major league pay, per diems, etc. 0% chance they do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Baxter In, Loewen to AAA?
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Terrible roster management by Sandy if he has to make 3 cuts for the sake of two weeks.

Understand Baxter...that was going to be a roster move no matter what.
Do not understand a roster cut for Herrera or Batista at all.

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Terrible roster management by Sandy if he has to make 3 cuts for the sake of two weeks.

Understand Baxter...that was going to be a roster move no matter what.
Do not understand a roster cut for Herrera or Batista at all.



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I'm going to wait for the moves to happen before getting upset about how the 40-man is being managed. But the goal should be as lose the least amount of players as a result of Byrdak's injury.

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I'm going to wait for the moves to happen before getting upset about how the 40-man is being managed. But the goal should be as lose the least amount of players as a result of Byrdak's injury.



that goal already looks unlikely if DRH is making the team over someone like Carson or Schwinden. Their obsession with carrying a "better" lefty for 1-2 weeks at the expense of losing someone off the 40 man is downright Omar-like.

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