The whole reason the pain might be worth it is that it seems the current regime has a plan. Trading Carlos Beltran for Zack Wheeler was a window into that plan. Taking toolsy but possibly raw high school outfielder Brandon Nimmo with their first pick in the draft was another. Challenging current Minor Leaguers — up and down the system — to become more patient at the plate was yet another sign that this team is working hard to change.
The plan wasn’t based on paying over-slot on all picks in the draft, which is good because there is now a draft bonus cap. It wasn’t based on making a big splash with international signings, either. That was the previous regime.
Instead it was about hording years of cost-control (see the Andres Torres trade), and focusing on developing a bevy of patient young position players to pair with their emerging arms. With Wheeler and Matt Harvey at the forefront, there are signs it’s going the right way. On the other hand, a 16th-place ranking in Marc Hulet’s MiLB org rankings, a general lack of high-impact position players in the system, and few cost-controlled pre-peak options at the Major League level, there’s still more pain on the way for the blue and orange.
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Hard to have a plan without the money to spend. Plus Sandy has only been on the job for a year. Not really sure what fans are expecting him to do at this point. The article pointed out what he did last year in the draft and what their organizational philosophy seems to be regarding hitting. Frank Cashen had a plan in the 80's...but even he couldn't turn the Mets around in a year. But even with that, Sandy didn't have the first pick in the draft to land Daryl, he hasn't had the luck to have a Keith Hernandez drop into his lap, and he also hasn't had one of the young players...yet...develop into someone (Hubie Brooks,) who he could turn into Gary Carter. Sandy has already (hopefully) made his Mazzilli trade in getting Wheeler. But you really need to give more time than a year before you complain of lack of a plan.
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Steve The Original wrote:
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I'd like to hear the plan.
Hard to have a plan without the money to spend. Plus Sandy has only been on the job for a year. Not really sure what fans are expecting him to do at this point. The article pointed out what he did last year in the draft and what their organizational philosophy seems to be regarding hitting. Frank Cashen had a plan in the 80's...but even he couldn't turn the Mets around in a year. But even with that, Sandy didn't have the first pick in the draft to land Daryl, he hasn't had the luck to have a Keith Hernandez drop into his lap, and he also hasn't had one of the young players...yet...develop into someone (Hubie Brooks,) who he could turn into Gary Carter. Sandy has already (hopefully) made his Mazzilli trade in getting Wheeler. But you really need to give more time than a year before you complain of lack of a plan.
Steve, The blurb says "The whole reason the pain might be worth it is that it seems the current regime has a plan." it's fair to question what that means.
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I think we all make assumptions the Sandy will move in a certain direction based on past Sandy regimes...high OBP college guys who are slow. Most of the positive reviews (and negative reviews) are based on that assumption, I think.
If anything, I thought his first draft dispelled that for me a bit. I was very surprised (disappointed) that he did not clear the trade-able pieces last July as well.
The Reyes situation played out predictably.
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Right now the plan looks like stockpiling mediocrity to finish in last place by fewer games.
As I've said elsewhere in 1 full season and 2 full winters he's added 1 player from outside the organization who has a chance at playing for a winning Met team.
You can on the 1 hand respect the difficulties he's had to labor under. But you can't on the other hand praise him for having a plan.
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I think anyone searching for a "plan" beyond "Wait the bad situation I inherited from the great O to clear itself out, maybe get a little lucky along the way, but mostly just try to keep a facade of attempting to be competitive without doing anything that involves any risk whatsoever in the meantime" is probably reading way too much into what the FO has done since they've been here.
And as I always disclaim, I liked their hires and want to like this group. Just been thoroughly underwhelmed thus far.
Hard to have a plan without the money to spend. Plus Sandy has only been on the job for a year. Not really sure what fans are expecting him to do at this point. The article pointed out what he did last year in the draft and what their organizational philosophy seems to be regarding hitting. Frank Cashen had a plan in the 80's...but even he couldn't turn the Mets around in a year. But even with that, Sandy didn't have the first pick in the draft to land Daryl, he hasn't had the luck to have a Keith Hernandez drop into his lap, and he also hasn't had one of the young players...yet...develop into someone (Hubie Brooks,) who he could turn into Gary Carter. Sandy has already (hopefully) made his Mazzilli trade in getting Wheeler. But you really need to give more time than a year before you complain of lack of a plan.
Steve, The blurb says "The whole reason the pain might be worth it is that it seems the current regime has a plan." it's fair to question what that means.
I think the plan is obvious. Build within the draft, trade off some of your high priced stars and get good value for them if you can. Sprinkle in a little luck and hopefully money at some point in time. I don't remember Frank Cashen announcing a specific "plan." Sandy has already shown signs of the plan so far. He doesn't have to have a press conference to announce in detail what he plans on doing. I think the actions will show what he is doing and that's allright by me. One thing for sure, the days of the quick fix are over. Which I see is a very good thing.
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I think anyone searching for a "plan" beyond "Wait the bad situation I inherited from the great O to clear itself out, maybe get a little lucky along the way, but mostly just try to keep a facade of attempting to be competitive without doing anything that involves any risk whatsoever in the meantime" is probably reading way too much into what the FO has done since they've been here.
And as I always disclaim, I liked their hires and want to like this group. Just been thoroughly underwhelmed thus far.
But most fans are looking for Sandy to fix the organization in a year. This is going to take time. And for all the patience that NY Met fans are alleged to have saying they have the patience to build a consistent winner, we all don't really show this to be the case, IMO. Most people here are looking for the quick fix.
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