Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:40 pm
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So you've never seen a game where a team had chances to get runs early, ended up not getting them, and then lost? When your pitcher is breezing thru the early innings, the other is struggling and then boom boom your team is losing instead of winning? Guess that never happens.
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So you've never seen a game where a team had chances to get runs early, ended up not getting them, and then lost? When your pitcher is breezing thru the early innings, the other is struggling and then boom boom your team is losing instead of winning? Guess that never happens.
Happens all the time, but the Mets really haven't had that many scoring chances.
Regardless, I usually don't pronounce 2-1 games in the 5th inning as being over.
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Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:43 pm
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The good news is that people only start to get into these fights in the IGT when there is some expectation that the Mets are not terrible.
Just watch the game! We are all rooting for the same thing.
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Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:45 pm
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chinabox wrote:
Gary taking a moment to point out that this lineup wouldn't exist without Omar. Folks have to recognize this.
He said more. That all but David was signed and developed by Omar. His strength was talent evaluation. And that were he an owner he would want Omar to run his farm system. Our much maligned farm system has managed to develop a decent team fielded today. Omar was stuck with two questionable managers. And I for one still find that in evaluating Omar we do not know what was Omar and what was Jeff. I guess one day someone will write it all up.
Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:45 pm
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TimBogar wrote:
Steve The Original wrote:
So you've never seen a game where a team had chances to get runs early, ended up not getting them, and then lost? When your pitcher is breezing thru the early innings, the other is struggling and then boom boom your team is losing instead of winning? Guess that never happens.
Happens all the time, but the Mets really haven't had that many scoring chances.
Regardless, I usually don't pronounce 2-1 games in the 5th inning as being over.
Again it is a "feeling" that I have about this game. Hence why I think the game is over even as early as the 5th or 6th inning.
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Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:47 pm
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spitter wrote:
chinabox wrote:
Gary taking a moment to point out that this lineup wouldn't exist without Omar. Folks have to recognize this.
He said more. That all but David was signed and developed by Omar. His strength was talent evaluation. And that were he an owner he would want Omar to run his farm system. Our much maligned farm system has managed to develop a decent team fielded today. Omar was stuck with two questionable managers. And I for one still find that in evaluating Omar we do not know what was Omar and what was Jeff. I guess one day someone will write it all up.
Decent yes. But can anyone say that this lineup that is on the field today is a championship calibur lineup?
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Now if we can only get rid of the Wilpons and replaced them with Mark Cuban the STO master plan can be complete!
Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:47 pm
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Post subject: Re: IGT 4/26/12: Fish (Nolasco) at Homegrowns (Niese)
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:48 pm
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chinabox wrote:
Gary taking a moment to point out that this lineup wouldn't exist without Omar. Folks have to recognize this.
Now this is going to come off biased, no doubt, and I'll admit I'm not impartial here, BUT, aside from Wright (pre-Omar) and Ike, almost all of these home-grown guys today are guys that have out-produced their reasonable projections.
Murphy was a middle round guy from a small program, Duda was a college underachiever with some upside, but clearly not a guy you counted on to be an MLB starter, Tejada and Valdy were super-cheap IFA's (especially Valdy, who didn't sign til he was 19, and as Ben Badler tells it, was simply a body to fill out a DSL roster), Thole a late rounder, Kirk a D3 kid.
Point being, these are mostly guys that, even the best talent evaluators and GMs at the time when they are picked/signed don't forsee them as making up a successful everyday lineup (and to be honest, this probably isn't a successful everyday lineup). And when you're given a gift like that, where you have a whole host of vast overachievers, you should really have a great farm system producing top-end talent left and right because your depth is good, and then you have your high picks/high profile IFA's to give you the "star" power, right!? Except...not.
As Ted Berg points out on twitter, Duda was the 7th pick in 2007 - getting your RFer then should be great. Except you use 4 of the first 6 picks on college relievers, and the other 2 on failed HS arms in Vineyard and Moviel, and I don't think aside from Kunz' 2 week stint here, any of them have even done so much as performed reasonably well at AAA.
Its similar to the argument of the wasted "gift" that Omar had when two of his bigger stars were making minimum salaries, and he had a 150m budget to work with, and he spent it all the wrong way.
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