Post subject: Re: Worst major addition in recent Mets history?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:24 pm
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Glavine shouldn't be on that list at all.
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Post subject: Re: Worst major addition in recent Mets history?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:35 pm
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Glavine's ending was SO bad that he deserves inclusion here, I think.
Has to be Bay though, by a large margin. All of those players offered positives during their tenure. Not Bay. Awful from minute one to present. And I loved the signing.
Post subject: Re: Worst major addition in recent Mets history?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:44 pm
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Bay for me and not only because it's the most fresh in my mind. Mo at least had a decent first year with us posting a 114 OPS+. Bonilla also was slightly above average with the bat for us. Bay has just been awful with an OPS + of 105 being his highest so far and getting worse.
Post subject: Re: Worst major addition in recent Mets history?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:03 pm
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Metro2007 wrote:
Bonilla was actually a lot better than people remember as a Met. He posted an OPS of .851
Yeah, and he played a surprisingly solid 3B during the strike shortened 1994 season (team was nearly .500 after a 103 loss season). The following season when he was on the verge of being dealt he was treated very nicely by Mets fans and he was smoking hot at one point in July/August.
Which was why I thought it was strange when in '99 many Met fans remembered only his horrid first season (and to be fair, acting like a jerk at times too) and not his excellent '95 pre-trade or his '94 playing third or the 34 HR season he had in '93. Of course Bonillla was garbage his second time around though and deserved all the hate he got lol.
There's a good one. While Bonilla had one bad season followed by 3 good to very good season's Vincent Van Go gave the team zilch.
Chico wrote:
Glavine shouldn't be on that list at all.
Agreed. I thought considering his age, especially, he pitched well as a Met. I didn't want him because of his age, mainly, and would have signed up for what he did over a 5 year period without hesitation. BTW-His ERA as a Met goes down 2 full runs if you take away his Met debut, Opening Day 2003.
Also: Saberhagen may have had a top 10 season for a Met pitcher ('94) but he was a big dissapointment otherwise.
Comparable to Jason Bay would be Carlos Baerga. Kept waiting for him to get hot and the "real" Carlos Baerga to finally come out but it never happened.
Roberto Alomar would be higher on other's lists but not on mine because I honestly expected him to drop off the year before. Of course he had a phenominal season instead and came here to drop off the following year. Significantly.
Not a "big" acquisition but the trade for Mike Marshall always stuck with me. Why? Mike Marshall? Ugh, we turned Dykstra and McDowell, two mid 20's fan favorite home grown World Champions into... Mike Marshall?? Alejandro Pena was also in the deal btw..
But Bay is really climbed the boards every day. Rising highher and higher on the all-time worst big acquisition in team history. What did they do with those charts they talked about tracking his home runs?
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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:
"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."
But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?
Post subject: Re: Worst major addition in recent Mets history?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:15 pm
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Daaaarryyl wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:
Bonilla was actually a lot better than people remember as a Met. He posted an OPS of .851
Yeah, and he played a surprisingly solid 3B during the strike shortened 1994 season (team was nearly .500 after a 103 loss season). The following season when he was on the verge of being dealt he was treated very nicely by Mets fans and he was smoking hot at one point in July/August.
Which was why I thought it was strange when in '99 many Met fans remembered only his horrid first season (and to be fair, acting like a jerk at times too) and not his excellent '95 pre-trade or his '94 playing third or the 3 HR season he had in '93. Of course Bonillla was garbage his second time around though and deserved all the hate he got lol.
There's a good one. While Bonilla had one bad season followed by 3 good to very good season's Vincent Van Go gave the team zilch.
Chico wrote:
Glavine shouldn't be on that list at all.
Agreed. I thought considering his age, especially, he pitched well as a Met. I didn't want him because he of his age, mainly, and would have signed up for what he did over a 5 year period without hesitation. BTW-His ERA as a Met goes down 2 full runs if you take away his Met debut, Opening Day 2003.
Also: Saberhagen may have had a top 10 season for a Met pitcher ('94) but he was a big dissapointment otherwise.
Comparable to Jason Bay would be Carlos Baerga. Kept waiting for him to get hot and the "real" Carlos Baerga to finally come out but it never happened.
Roberto Alomar would be higher on other's lists but not on mine because I honestly expected him to drop off the year before. Of course he had a phenominal season instead and came here to drop off the following year. Significantly.
Not a "big" acquisition but the trade for Mike Marshall always stuck with me. Why? Mike Marshall? Ugh, we turned Dykstra and McDowell, two mid 20's fan favorite home grown World Champions into... Mike Marshall?? Alejandro Pena was also in the deal btw..
But Bay is really climbed the boards every day. Rising highher and higher on the all-time worst big acquisition in team history. What did they do with those charts they talked about tracking his home runs?
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