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 Post subject: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:02 am 
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Hate the fact that the Mets won't trade Hairston. Screams of ownership meddling to win 82 and prevent GM from building for future.


I have argued exactly this all week. Sandy Alderson is too smart to not trade assets and settle for mediocrity during a rebuilding session. Lucky for us, we're stuck with these incompetent, inept doofuses as owners for the rest of our lives in all probability.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:54 am 
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Look, the problem is, our owners care more for attendance (see Friday, Black, 2004), than putting together an actual, long term, competitive team. We lucked our way into some really good pitching prospects, and in true Mets fashion, tried our best to destroy one. Lets see how the other 2 fare.

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:00 am 
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Atta boy, Kev. There's the Met fan in you talkin!!

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:09 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
Look, the problem is, our owners care more for attendance (see Friday, Black, 2004), than putting together an actual, long term, competitive team.


I can understand why they wouldn't want a repeat of last year's second half collapse. But to think keeping Hairston is going to prevent that is ludicrous. Hairston isn't even a guy we should necessarily bring back. As much as they are playing him, they'd be better off investing a bit more money and signing Cody Ross if possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:19 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
Look, the problem is, our owners care more for attendance (see Friday, Black, 2004), than putting together an actual, long term, competitive team.


I can understand why they wouldn't want a repeat of last year's second half collapse. But to think keeping Hairston is going to prevent that is ludicrous. Hairston isn't even a guy we should necessarily bring back. As much as they are playing him, they'd be better off investing a bit more money and signing Cody Ross if possible.


It depends on what we could get back, but not trading him is the latest in the long line of stupidity from this pathetic franchise.

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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:20 am 
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I think Sandy's reputation needs wins a lot more than Fred's.


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Again, if there was any evidence of inspired, creative moves in the offseason when their hands have been so unfairly tied, I'd be more apt to believe Sandy has deals lined up and Jeff is nixing them.

But where are the moves otherwise to make us think this?


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:39 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
It depends on what we could get back, but not trading him is the latest in the long line of stupidity from this pathetic franchise.


I think what we would get back wouldn't be much. I'd be very happy with Brian Morris from the Pirates for example, but I would probably do a trade even for Carlos Paulino (a very athletic under the radar catching prospect who I seem to like more than everyone else does).


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:49 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Again, if there was any evidence of inspired, creative moves in the offseason when their hands have been so unfairly tied, I'd be more apt to believe Sandy has deals lined up and Jeff is nixing them.

But where are the moves otherwise to make us think this?


I don't disagree that Sandy and co. should have been more creative in the off season, but trading Hairston has nothing to do with creativity. It's a no-brainer.

This reeks of the Wilpons.

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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Again, if there was any evidence of inspired, creative moves in the offseason when their hands have been so unfairly tied, I'd be more apt to believe Sandy has deals lined up and Jeff is nixing them.

But where are the moves otherwise to make us think this?

What do you mean by inspired and creative? You have to give up something to get something (either money or talent). He couldn't give up much money, so are you suggesting he trade one of our prospects? What did you have in mind?


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Cutting payroll reeks of the Wilpons.

Not cutting payroll reeks of Sandy.


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 Post subject: Re: Kevin Goldstein blasts Mets for Hairston situation
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I hate to be the voie of dissent here, and I'm certainly no Wilpon apologist...but I'm still not seeing trading Hairston as a move that puts us ocver the top in 2013 and beyond. He simply isn't going to bring back anyone of significance the way Carlos Beltran did bringing Wheeler here. The talking heads can piss and moan all they want to in order to get readers to read their drivel, but if there was a can't miss trade to make for Scott Hairston, Sandy would have done it. I think he's a bit smarter than the vast majority of people on the outside. I'd love to bring back a nice piece for Hairston. I just don't envision any pieces that teams are willing to give up for a fringe major league player.


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