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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:55 am 
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Wow tough crowd. Guess you didn't catch any of the games in SD. Spang looked pretty special defensively and he's got 4 or 5 control years to go and hits LHed. But the C and LHed arm in that deal can be pretty special. Either way I see them going outside the org to fill 3B.

Anything on ACab possibly to the DBs? They suddenly look very thin on the IF.



Special? Numbers say he's horrid at 3b. What am I missing? Again -5 DRS in only 59 games. That's the opposite of special. He's also hitting .272 despite a .355 BABIP. 6% walk rate, 27% k rate.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:58 am 
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Just for comparisons sake Wilmer is also -5 DRS (41 games).

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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Wow tough crowd. Guess you didn't catch any of the games in SD. Spang looked pretty special defensively and he's got 4 or 5 control years to go and hits LHed. And since June 1 when he more or less started playing regularly, he's OPSing about 850. And the C and LHed arm in that deal can be pretty special. Either way I see them going outside the org to fill 3B.

Anything on ACab possibly to the DBs? They suddenly look very thin on the IF.


What on earth does Spangenberg bring that Flores doesn't? It's not like Spangenberg brings gold glove defense either.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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Wow tough crowd. Guess you didn't catch any of the games in SD. Spang looked pretty special defensively and he's got 4 or 5 control years to go and hits LHed. And since June 1 when he more or less started playing regularly, he's OPSing about 850. And the C and LHed arm in that deal can be pretty special. Either way I see them going outside the org to fill 3B.

Anything on ACab possibly to the DBs? They suddenly look very thin on the IF.


What on earth does Spangenberg bring that Flores doesn't? It's not like Spangenberg brings gold glove defense either.



Since 6/1 Wilmer .268/.309/.503 8 homers 9 doubles 1 triple (.268 BABIP)
Spangenberg .298/.362/.484 7 homers 5 doubles 2 triples (.390 BABIP)

So even over this hot period Spangenberg (while better) when you adjust for a reasonable BABIP hasn't been much better than Wilmer and neither look good in terms of DRS.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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Is it just me, or does thinking about 2018 make everyone's head hurt a little.

Looking at the team - before any free agency oves

C: d'Arnaud/Plaw (Nido)
1B: Dom (Wilmer/TJ)
2B: Wilmer/TJ (Cecchini)
SS: Rosario
3B: Ascab (he's still here, isn't he, and he only costs 6.5 million after buyout)
OF: Cespedes, Conforto, Lagares (Nimmo)

Starters: Thor, deGrom, Matz, Wheeler, Harvey, Gsellman, Lugo
Pen Familia, Ramos, Blevins, Callahan, Smoker, etc.

Needs: An OF - especially with Cespedes' and Lagares heath issues. Bringing back Bruce might actually work. They have enough CF with Conforto/Lagares/Nimmo. Defense is a little weak for some lineups but not so bad that they need to sign another defensive wiz (Juan - stay heathy for a change).

Infield - Rosario is young, Dom is young, Wilmer & TJ & Ascab are maybe not guys you want starting - and that's all 4 projected positions covered by those 5 questions. Beefing up the infield is essential. Moustakas might be the guy, but . . . I'm not sold on him. Frazier is OK but he's a .220 hitter now. Trade? (The guy on the Reds is great but I wouldn't trade him if I was Cincy, not yet anyway.)

I keep coming back to Walker - he'll cost maybe half what Moustakas might get and povide solid numbers. If he gets hurt, we have guys like Wilmer & TJ who can fill in, so signing the injury prone player who' expressed interest in staying, that might not be the dumbest move vs overpaying.

Nunez is possible. I don't think he's an ideal starter either but he can play OF and infield - which brings flexibility.

But I've just spend 30 million on basically putting the same team together that we've had for the last two years. That makes me want to bang my head against a wall. I just don't see it. I don't see how, on their budget, that they can build the team I'd like to see next year. Free agency is too expensive and they don't have enough in the minors.

Maybe they can trade Harvey for . . . I don't know. If all 7 of our starters are healthy in Spring Training . . . a trade - maybe.

Some people might want to trade Wilmer cause TJ can replace him, but I don't think we'll get that much for Wilmer, and he provides depth and insurance at 1st if Dom struggles. I wouldn't trade Wilmer.

I don't see the right move that I think will or could happen.

Bangs head against wall some more. I don't see it. They're good, but I don't know if they're good enough.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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How much is Yu Darvish getting in free agency?

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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How much is Yu Darvish getting in free agency?


Real interesting case. I think a lot is going to be determined by how he pitches the rest of the year. He's a health risk, his ERA has continued to rise over the past few years, and his K rate while still excellent has dropped as well. If he has a great rest of the year he's easily going to command $20 Mil per year. If he struggles maybe not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:18 pm 
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Steve The Original wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
Wow tough crowd. Guess you didn't catch any of the games in SD. Spang looked pretty special defensively and he's got 4 or 5 control years to go and hits LHed. And since June 1 when he more or less started playing regularly, he's OPSing about 850. And the C and LHed arm in that deal can be pretty special. Either way I see them going outside the org to fill 3B.

Anything on ACab possibly to the DBs? They suddenly look very thin on the IF.


What on earth does Spangenberg bring that Flores doesn't? It's not like Spangenberg brings gold glove defense either.



Since 6/1 Wilmer .268/.309/.503 8 homers 9 doubles 1 triple (.268 BABIP)
Spangenberg .298/.362/.484 7 homers 5 doubles 2 triples (.390 BABIP)

So even over this hot period Spangenberg (while better) when you adjust for a reasonable BABIP hasn't been much better than Wilmer and neither look good in terms of DRS.

um, defense.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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But metrics say the defense is similar, no?


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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I'm comfortable knowing the Mets won't be in on any 'How much is he getting?' player.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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Out of the box...
--Donaldson and Anthony Alford
for Harvey or Wheeler, Wilmer, Nimmo, Flexen/Humphreys/Dunn, and Nido
(If they would rather have Matz, subtract Flexen/Nimmo add Lagares.)

Re-sign Neil Walker. Attempt to sign Jake Arrieta

Conforto-RF
Rosario-SS
Donaldson-3B
Cespedes-LF
Walker-2B
Smith-1B
Alford-CF
TDA/Plaw-C

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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Not trying to be snarky but I JUST posted he has posted a -5 DRS over 59 games at 3B. Wilmer -5 DRS in 41 games at 3b so while we all agree Wilmer is a poor defender at 3b how is Spangenberg "pretty special" at 3b with an identical -5 DRS?

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