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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:53 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:21 pm 
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Far fewer people injured by tossed firecrackers than in average bad Met season.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:22 pm 
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Conforto became an allstar...
TJR proved he's legit.
AJ Ramos is a legit setup/closer for 2018
Rosario is SS of the future.


Shouldn't even think about closer


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:46 pm 
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It's over.


And at least I know now that baring some unexpected moves, I don't even like this team anymore. Maybe I can make some new exciting summer plans


Maybe so. But you’ll be back.



More out of habit than enjoyment probably. I didn't watch a single full game this season.

I still followed what was going on, but if I feel the same way about this team next year as I do now, I'd rather just break the habit

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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:24 pm 
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Best takeaways, despite the period of sustained success apparently ending after just 1.5 years of such success, were all the great glimpses of the future we got in the last 2 months.

- Dom Smith's gamechanging defense, and proving that those reports weren't just the type of silly perpetuated minor league reports given to every left/left 1B who can scoop

- Rosario's arrival turning around the season like we all thought it would in May, when they were stupidly playing Cabrera and Reyes instead (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... ,1736,4962)

- The next wave of SP depth cementing themselves in Flexen, Montero and Tommy Milone

But most importantly, finally moving onto the age where winning a WS is possible now that Terry Collins is gone.


Ok, ok, a little salty today. This season was brutal, given expectations, the way the core of the team completely fell apart, how there wasn't even a Reyes-in-2003 or Wright-in-2004 type cornerstone "flash into the future" moment, etc. Just an organizational disaster all around. The best part of the season is that its over, finally. The worst part is that its likely an indicator for how the immediate future will look, as a reliever and a "bat or two", as our GM set up expectations for the offseason, ain't turning this ship back around.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:42 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Best takeaways, despite the period of sustained success apparently ending after just 1.5 years of such success, were all the great glimpses of the future we got in the last 2 months.

- Dom Smith's gamechanging defense, and proving that those reports weren't just the type of silly perpetuated minor league reports given to every left/left 1B who can scoop

- Rosario's arrival turning around the season like we all thought it would in May, when they were stupidly playing Cabrera and Reyes instead (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... ,1736,4962)

- The next wave of SP depth cementing themselves in Flexen, Montero and Tommy Milone

But most importantly, finally moving onto the age where winning a WS is possible now that Terry Collins is gone.


Ok, ok, a little salty today. This season was brutal, given expectations, the way the core of the team completely fell apart, how there wasn't even a Reyes-in-2003 or Wright-in-2004 type cornerstone "flash into the future" moment, etc. Just an organizational disaster all around. The best part of the season is that its over, finally. The worst part is that its likely an indicator for how the immediate future will look, as a reliever and a "bat or two", as our GM set up expectations for the offseason, ain't turning this ship back around.


Yeah well regarding Rosario can we give Sandy a little credit for not bringing him up when we were all flabbergasted why he wasn't? Clearly Rosario has a lot to learn


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:45 pm 
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Steve The Original wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Best takeaways, despite the period of sustained success apparently ending after just 1.5 years of such success, were all the great glimpses of the future we got in the last 2 months.

- Dom Smith's gamechanging defense, and proving that those reports weren't just the type of silly perpetuated minor league reports given to every left/left 1B who can scoop

- Rosario's arrival turning around the season like we all thought it would in May, when they were stupidly playing Cabrera and Reyes instead (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... ,1736,4962)

- The next wave of SP depth cementing themselves in Flexen, Montero and Tommy Milone

But most importantly, finally moving onto the age where winning a WS is possible now that Terry Collins is gone.


Ok, ok, a little salty today. This season was brutal, given expectations, the way the core of the team completely fell apart, how there wasn't even a Reyes-in-2003 or Wright-in-2004 type cornerstone "flash into the future" moment, etc. Just an organizational disaster all around. The best part of the season is that its over, finally. The worst part is that its likely an indicator for how the immediate future will look, as a reliever and a "bat or two", as our GM set up expectations for the offseason, ain't turning this ship back around.


Yeah well regarding Rosario can we give Sandy a little credit for not bringing him up when we were all flabbergasted why he wasn't? Clearly Rosario has a lot to learn


Yup, I did my mea culpa here a few weeks ago, but as rush as I am to criticize the FO for moving slow at times, they clearly knew what they were doing here. That was not your typical "top prospect in the game is wasting away at AAA for $ reasons only." This was not Kris Bryant/Tommy LaStella redux.

And to the idea that it was slowed by TC not committing to play Rosario over those 2 crusty old vets, maybe he knew what he was doing to, as Rosario was clearly worse than they during same time against same competition (and imagine if they were actually trying to win at the time).


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:52 pm 
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And regarding Smith, yes his power was a surprise but homers are up all throughout baseball this year so I assume his power numbers in addition to his weight are inflated. But you mentioned his defense...what a big disappointment he was in that category and his brain fart yesterday if you saw the game of flipping a ball to Flexen when Cheech was covering 1b was inexcusable. I really hope they aren't counting on Smith to be a major contributor next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:58 pm 
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Steve The Original wrote:
And regarding Smith, yes his power was a surprise but homers are up all throughout baseball this year so I assume his power numbers in addition to his weight are inflated. But you mentioned his defense...what a big disappointment he was in that category and his brain fart yesterday if you saw the game of flipping a ball to Flexen when Cheech was covering 1b was inexcusable. I really hope they aren't counting on Smith to be a major contributor next year.

Well, this is the big tell IMO, regarding whether or not they earnestly intend to try and contend next season or use it as more of a transition year. Would seem to be setting the bar pretty low for a team with contending aspirations.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:17 pm 
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-- Conforto showing he's a stud when healthy.

-- Amed and Dom giving us a glimpse of the future (and yes, Dom should absolutely, 100% be the starting first baseman next year).

-- I'd say getting a new manager, but I want to see who they get before calling it a big positive.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:44 pm 
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But you mentioned his defense...what a big disappointment he was in that category and his brain fart yesterday if you saw the game of flipping a ball to Flexen when Cheech was covering 1b was inexcusable. I really hope they aren't counting on Smith to be a major contributor next year.

I've also seen more than one play over there where he was guilty of not communicating effectively on popups, as to whether he is going to make the play. One he and Reyes recently let drop, and another not long ago where he ran into the pitcher after not calling for it early enough.

He really needs to have his head a little more in the game defensively over there, take more responsibility for being aware of and communicating with his teamates.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:34 pm 
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I actually saw more positives than negatives, as far as looking ahead to the future. While lots went wrong as far as contending in 2017, I thought lots went right as far as the status of the Mets younger players. Don't think there's enough yet to go for it in 2018, but I think there might be enough to make a run by 2019.

Nimmo and Conforto are looking like potential cornerstones of the future outfield. On the infield, Flores had his best offensive season, and may have a chance to be a decent everyday player if you leave him at 2B. Rosario and Smith haven't done much yet, but both are very young and showed some potential (though I think more for 2019 than 2018). Keven Plawecki had something of a breakout, and could push d'Arnuad for starting time at the catcher position.

Biggest disappointment may have been Cecchini, but the biggest surprise was Evans, who looks like a legit prospect despite never having really been ranked as one. T.J. Rivera, though older, did much the same last year, and continued to hold his own this year. At the worst, these guys will likely at least leave Matt Reynolds unemployed in 2018.

On the pitching side, Syndergaard looked fine when healthy, and I think the deGrom-Syndegaard top two still looks like a top of rotation you can likely count on in 2018. I thought Lugo showed the potential to develop into a solid #3, but concerns he has been pitching with a partial tear make it too risky to count on that. Gsellman, after getting rocked in back to back starts in June, has pitched pretty well in 8 starts since returning from the DL in August. In the pen, Familia is still an ace closer when active, and Callahan looks like a guy who could help soon. Guys like Bradford and Sewald looked OK as jouneyman middle relief types.

I think they will still need to supplement this homegrown talent, with at least a couple of premium additions, if they do want to contend by 2019. But I think there's enough talent there they will have a chance to do that, assuming deGrom and Syndergaard's arms haven't fallen off before then.


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