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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:44 am 
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I think it is good news that Dom showed power because up to this year the fear was he was never going to hit for power and people were throwing out Casey Kotchman as comps. I think Dom will get that average up next year as he becomes more comfortable and could see a .275/.350/.450 season. While not an elite season but a starting point to continue to grow from. I wouldn't give up on him yet as we saw from Conforto, kids can take some time to hit their groove.


Conforto, in a pennant race, had a 133 wRC+ in his first ~200 PA coming straight from AA.

Smith didn't exactly follow that same path.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:12 am 
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ndfordarling wrote:
I think it is good news that Dom showed power because up to this year the fear was he was never going to hit for power and people were throwing out Casey Kotchman as comps. I think Dom will get that average up next year as he becomes more comfortable and could see a .275/.350/.450 season. While not an elite season but a starting point to continue to grow from. I wouldn't give up on him yet as we saw from Conforto, kids can take some time to hit their groove.


Conforto, in a pennant race, had a 133 wRC+ in his first ~200 PA coming straight from AA.

Smith didn't exactly follow that same path.


This. But even though i'm writing Smith off it's still too early to give up on him I guess


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:58 pm 
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1. Conforto is an All Star
2. Nimmo is a player
3. Wilmer continues to improve (especially against RHPs)

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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:59 pm 
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The biggest surprise for me, personally, was Nimmo.

He has a legitimately elite approach and it's translated to the bigs so far. I like him as an OBP-machine in the OF even if he doesn't have the power profile you'd expect from a corner OF.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:18 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
ndfordarling wrote:
I think it is good news that Dom showed power because up to this year the fear was he was never going to hit for power and people were throwing out Casey Kotchman as comps. I think Dom will get that average up next year as he becomes more comfortable and could see a .275/.350/.450 season. While not an elite season but a starting point to continue to grow from. I wouldn't give up on him yet as we saw from Conforto, kids can take some time to hit their groove.


Conforto, in a pennant race, had a 133 wRC+ in his first ~200 PA coming straight from AA.

Smith didn't exactly follow that same path.


And the following year on this board people were saying Conforto was figured out done overrated. My point was don’t rush to judgement on kids. Then I’ll use Aaron Judge who last year in 95 PAs struck out 42x.

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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:27 pm 
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ndfordarling wrote:
And the following year on this board people were saying Conforto was figured out done overrated.


I'm not sure anyone actually said this, but just again want to point out that Conforto's bad 2016 was light years ahead of what Smith did.

And again, the idea of a "sophomore slump" when the scouting reports get around on you before you re-adjust (as Conforto obviously did) is quite different than when sight unseen you do what Smith did.

You'll be able to find plenty of guys who struggled initially, I don't doubt. Conforto is not a great example to use, was my point. In fact, most of our recent home-grown success stories- of which there haven't been many, unfortunately - don't follow your path. Reyes, Wright, Conforto all hit the ground running upon promotion.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:02 pm 
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It's over.


And at least I know now that baring some unexpected moves, I don't even like this team anymore. Maybe I can make some new exciting summer plans


I guess you have summed up exactly the way I feel about this team right now. We both need a little optimism but I am certainly not counting on anything happening this winter that will make me smile.


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 Post subject: Re: Biggest positive takeaways from the season
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:30 pm 
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Joefrompgh wrote:
MetGirl5 wrote:
It's over.


And at least I know now that baring some unexpected moves, I don't even like this team anymore. Maybe I can make some new exciting summer plans


I guess you have summed up exactly the way I feel about this team right now. We both need a little optimism but I am certainly not counting on anything happening this winter that will make me smile.


I hear ya. I'll be back, but they really are draining the life out of me. I thought with Sandy and the build towards the WS that we were going to be able to out perform the owners.

Now, we're just doomed to crappy ownership, a GM making do within their strict parameters and an unlucky cycle that has killed the rotation of the future, dumped players for nothing and left us with a lot of maybes. I'm not expecting much.

By the time the younger hitters figure it out the rotation will be gone. Too expensive, too injured or dumped for more relievers.

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