Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:08 am
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Ralf wrote:
Harvey.
We desperately need a reliable #3 bridge to the rest of the rotation.
We do, but there's almost no chance its Harvey.
Gsell and Matz were at least good in 2016. Lugo was the most competent of the bunch last year. I'd hang my hat on that over Harvey magically returning to form. And the biggest thing with Harvey is given the unlikelihood of the relationship lasting any longer than another 8 months, max, I really hope the leash is short (though it won't be).
I'll say its Zack Wheeler, because this guy either needs to become something, fast, or we need to stop treating Zack Wheeler different than any number of guys around the league with the big arm and big pedigree but you'd never pencil him into any definitive role (and that has implications beyond this year). Jacob Turner - taken 3 picks after Zack in that 2009 draft - comes to mind.
Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:35 pm
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I think the team has zero issues with Wright’s indecision. He’s doing his thing and not bothering anyone. These are adults and pros. Might be different on a basketball team where there are twenty-ish players fighting for 15 spots. But in MLB the camps are massive. And it’s not like there’s a “circus” surrounding him. We fans make a bigger deal about it than it practically is. I think.
Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:44 pm
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egelband2 wrote:
I think the team has zero issues with Wright’s indecision. He’s doing his thing and not bothering anyone. These are adults and pros. Might be different on a basketball team where there are twenty-ish players fighting for 15 spots. But in MLB the camps are massive. And it’s not like there’s a “circus” surrounding him. We fans make a bigger deal about it than it practically is. I think.
It might not be an issue now but if I'm Sandy Alderson, it has to be really annoying in November and December when you have to figure out a player to cut from the 40 or a player you want to add to the 40 but can't because you are wasting a roster spot on someone you know is not going to play. I know the narrative here is that the guys who rank 37-40 on a roster don't amount to anything most of the time but you have to wonder if eventually it's going to backfire and you actually end up losing someone who is servicable because of Wright taking up a roster spot.
Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:10 pm
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piazzafan wrote:
egelband2 wrote:
I think the team has zero issues with Wright’s indecision. He’s doing his thing and not bothering anyone. These are adults and pros. Might be different on a basketball team where there are twenty-ish players fighting for 15 spots. But in MLB the camps are massive. And it’s not like there’s a “circus” surrounding him. We fans make a bigger deal about it than it practically is. I think.
It might not be an issue now but if I'm Sandy Alderson, it has to be really annoying in November and December when you have to figure out a player to cut from the 40 or a player you want to add to the 40 but can't because you are wasting a roster spot on someone you know is not going to play. I know the narrative here is that the guys who rank 37-40 on a roster don't amount to anything most of the time but you have to wonder if eventually it's going to backfire and you actually end up losing someone who is servicable because of Wright taking up a roster spot.
Everything else being equal, Wright cost us Matt Reynolds. (not sure who if anyone he cost us last off-season), but this year, he cost us Matt Reynolds, and/or, maybe he cost us Burch Smith (or another rule 5 selection).
Yes, things like that can matter, but as you say, mostly it's not a big deal.
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Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:57 pm
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pennst92 wrote:
David Wright...
His rehab & attempt to come back are distractions at this point that a fragile team does not need. I love DWright as a ball player, but he's done. He should retire gracefully, have a day in his honor and his number stuck on the wall. Then enjoy the fruits of his labor.
Who is it distracting? And why is giving up before he’s ready to “graceful” ? People do seem to like him on a personal level so it’s not like he’s a terrible guy to have around
Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 am
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I would say Harvey too. Would be huge if he could be good again. I’m not sure we will get all the answers on him in ST, but it could be a sign of things to come
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Post subject: Re: The Most Important Player this spring training?
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:12 am
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Late to the party here, and perhaps a bit of a copout, but I'm going to say the number three starter. We need that number three to be someone not named Jason Vargas, and we need them to deserve that spot. With any semblance of rotation depth behind the top two, this is a pretty good team. Without it, we're probably in for one of those miserable seasons where a couple days a week we look like winners, and the rest we're out of the game by the fifth.
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