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 Post subject: Mangey's Unilateral Political Thread Policy
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:45 pm 
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Yep. I'm all about politics (obviously), and love to engage in political discussion with people here. That said, the quality of the discourse has suffered lately. So, I'm declaring my unilateral enforcement policy on political threads.

It is unacceptable to be use an ad hominem attack in any thread on this board. When I see them, I will lock threads, delete posts, and continual behavior may lead to more serious consequences.

Well Mangey, what is an ad hominem attack?

An ad hominem attack is an attack on the poster, and not the argument presented by the poster.

What kinds of posts count as ad hominem?

Examples include, but are not limited to:
- Questioning the motivation of the poster
- Insulting the poster
- Claiming hypocrisy in the case of a poster.
- Dismissing an argument because of potential 'bias.'

How should I post in political threads?

It's simple, all threads begin with a point. If you wish to dispute the point, please feel free to provide a counter point. All subsequent posts should be related to that topic, focusing entirely on the merits of the arguments presented. You can point out inadequacy, contradiction, inconsistency, whatever flaw you'd like in an argument - but the line is crossed once you start attributing negative judgments on the poster based on these considerations.

I'm not sure if this is ad hom! What should I do?

First, ask yourself, is this personal? Would I take offense to this if it were written to me? Still not sure? PM me, and I'd be happy to take a look! This isn't about punishing people, it's about improving the quality of political discourse on this website.

Why is this so important?

I cannot stress how important it is that we cease using ad hom attacks if we want political discussion to continue on this board. Ad hominem attacks lower the level of discouse, and prevent rational discussion and education. A good political debate ought to either sharpen your current held opinions, make them more subtle and advanced, or it ought to bring about change in your views. Ad hom attacks bring these discussions down to a childish level that prevents meaningful dialogue between holders of differing opinions.

In Summary: No more ad hom, and let's enjoy some intellectually stimulating political discussions!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:48 pm 
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wow that post was such a waste of time.
That Mangey guy is such a tool. :wink: :lol: j/k
in all serious Mangey I thought your post was excellent, and I concur with your sentiments of needing civilized level of debate, if we don't want the level of the politcal posts (or any posts for that matter) to end up becoming barbaric attacks on posters or their mothers (etc etc).
Bravo! \:D/ =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:49 pm 
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Is humor still allowed?

I have the "Chandler Bing" syndrome where I can't engage in a serious conversation without cracking one or two jokes.

It backfires sometimes since people take me less seriously and think I'm just being an ass. That said, for the most part, I am an ass.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:54 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:57 pm 
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Static wrote:
Is humor still allowed?

I have the "Chandler Bing" syndrome where I can't engage in a serious conversation without cracking one or two jokes.

It backfires sometimes since people take me less seriously and think I'm just being an ass. That said, for the most part, I am being an ass.


Good question!

Humor is allowed, because it is understood that you are not actually asserting what your words might seem to. I leave it up to your best judgment about whether what you are saying will be properly understood as a joke. I recommend using emoticons or (j/k) if you aren't sure that people will understand that it's a joke.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:20 pm 
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Great post.

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

It should be the offical off topic sticky

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:39 pm 
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As a former President of the Ignatius Loyola Speech and Debate Team at Holy Cross, I say...

Mangey, you are a doof...

:D

Seriously though, I like debating politics here more than any other place on the web because there are so many different sides to every argument here.

I miss the old threads, but I will say this, I really miss ralf. (I mean that)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:54 pm 
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what happened to Ralf?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:59 pm 
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pennst92 wrote:
what happened to Ralf?

:(


anonimo is Ralf


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:00 am 
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Gracias...I imagine there are a number of folks who have changed sigs...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:31 am 
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pennst92 wrote:
Gracias...I imagine there are a number of folks who have changed sigs...


Those rascals...hey pennst :D

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K4osten wrote:
pennst92 wrote:
what happened to Ralf?

:(


anonimo is Ralf


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