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 Post subject: Is Carlos Beltran Going to the Hall?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:28 am 
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I just realized that in all likelihood he's going to become the 2nd youngest player to have joined the exclusive 300/300 club.

Barry Bonds joined at age 30, Bobby at 33.

Carlos is 31 and is at 251 HR and 266 SB.


The other members of the club?
Andrew Dawson - age 36, Willie Mays - age 38, and then the compilers, Reggie Sanders (38) and Steve Finley (41).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:35 am 
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nope

I should add...if Keith Hernandez doesn't get into the Hall of Fame, neither should Beltran.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:37 am 
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With another 4-5 strong seasons, he has a shot. Considering the barometer for switch-hitting Hall of Fame centerfielders is set at Mickey Mantle, he's got a ways to go.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:39 am 
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slugox wrote:
With another 4-5 strong seasons, he has a shot. Considering the barometer for switch-hitting Hall of Fame centerfielders is set at Mickey Mantle, he's got a ways to go.


Jim Edmonds gets in before Beltran, and I don't think he gets in either.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:44 am 
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Doubtful.

But he's for sure a player you'll tell your kids .. "I remember when Carlos Beltran......"

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Doubt it. But, like Pornstache said, he's a player I will talk to my kids about.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:47 am 
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i'm not worried about it yet.

i just want to win a world series.

he is only 31, so most of this question relies on his health and the ability to do this another 4-5 years.

in the end, i just want to win a ws with him!

but his d, will also be a factor and that will help too.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:49 am 
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It's a great accomplishment, but looking at the list, 300/300 guarantees nothing as far as the Hall is concerned.

I think Andre Dawson is one of the best players NOT in the Hall and 300/300 hasn't helped him.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:59 am 
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champstark wrote:
slugox wrote:
With another 4-5 strong seasons, he has a shot. Considering the barometer for switch-hitting Hall of Fame centerfielders is set at Mickey Mantle, he's got a ways to go.


Jim Edmonds gets in before Beltran, and I don't think he gets in either.


If he has another 4-5 strong seasons, he'll have Edmonds beat in pretty much all of the counting stats.

Beltran is not there yet, but 8 100-RBI seasons out of his first 10 years in the league (he's on pace for #8 this year) is pretty impressive for a CF. Add to that gold glove caliber defense.

If he can put up a few more seasons of 25-30 HR and 100+ RBI I don't see why he wouldn't be seriously considered.

Current:

251 HR 946 RBI

on pace for

259 HR 984 RBI

by season's end

add

5 x 30 HR and 5 x 100 RBI

He'll end up with 409 HR and 1484 RBI at age 36.

Like most HoFers, Beltran's eligibility will be dependent upon his longevity. If he can play well into his late-30s he has a good shot, but if he has a Shawn Green decline he can forget it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:02 am 
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Not even close at the moment.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:09 am 
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Chico wrote:
It's a great accomplishment, but looking at the list, 300/300 guarantees nothing as far as the Hall is concerned.

I think Andre Dawson is one of the best players NOT in the Hall and 300/300 hasn't helped him.


dawson and jim rice belong in the hall.

why they aren't there bothers me. i watched them play, mostly dawson and they were excellent players!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:23 am 
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HOF=greatness, not pretty goodness.

at this point, he's just a really good player. not all time great


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