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 Post subject: Did Nathan Vineyard retire? Possibly
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:44 pm 
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I posted this on the Sickels thread as he said he heard rumors as such. Anyone know anything about this? Anyone remember reading anything line this?

"Ok here's an update from a VERY reliable source - a different source than my first.

In my original post I wrote: "Vineyard did "retire" or quit, whatever you want to call it so early in a career."

So the use of "retire" in quotes was the wrong approach, but..

A scout told me -- and this confirms what another scout told me originally -- that following his April surgery on his shoulder, Vineyard was completely MIA for his rehab and refused to show up for his local rehab close to his home in. He then failed to report THIS FALL when asked to report to the Mets complex.

Another scout with a lot of knowledge on the situation told me that since spring, when he failed to report to original rehab, he went off the radar [confirms why all 3 phone numbers I have for Vineyard are all non-functioning]. Club reps literally had to track him down.

Now, from an on the field perspective, considering he went all this time without any consistent rehab, you can imagine the built up scar tissue and other flaws that will seriously affect his ability to pitch.

Lastly, in that original thread, I left the door open for Vineyard to return, just as Law does and sources I've talk to have as well.

While he did not walk into a Mets office and say "I quit", his actions and lack of care for his shoulder speak to the idea that he's going that way.

There's more to the story, but this is the jist of what's going on with him."

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=228&f=1381&t=3653290

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RE: Prospects you like and Why - Discuss

InsidePitchAdmin wrote: Vineyard did "retire" or quit, whatever you want to call it so early in a career.

Maybe he returns down the road, but for now, he's out of the system.

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=228&f ... 555894&p=2

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what a wasted pick!

darn!

who was the 1st round ss pick in the 90's that did this?

unreal, isn't there a question guide that they go from?

what was he a 2nd round pick?

darn!

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uapeople wrote:
what a wasted pick!

darn!

who was the 1st round ss pick in the 90's that did this?

unreal, isn't there a question guide that they go from?

what was he a 2nd round pick?

darn!


Ryan Jaroncyk

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Metro2007 wrote:
uapeople wrote:
what a wasted pick!

darn!

who was the 1st round ss pick in the 90's that did this?

unreal, isn't there a question guide that they go from?

what was he a 2nd round pick?

darn!


Ryan Jaroncyk


yeah that's it.

we did it twice!

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I hate to put it this way ..

But Nathan seems to have a lack of heart or desire .. he just didn't want to rehab from an injury ... He spent his entire signing bonus within two weeks ..

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Pornstache wrote:
I hate to put it this way ..

But Nathan seems to have a lack of heart or desire .. he just didn't want to rehab from an injury ... He spent his entire signing bonus within two weeks ..


sounds like a great guy! :evil:

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Are you sure this isn't nothing more than a rumor? Adam Rubin was asked this during Friday's chat, about Vineyard being MIA and out of the system, and his answer was:


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I hadn't heard the MIA part. I'd have to check on that. I do know I spoke with Tony Bernazard about a month ago about him. He said Vineyard had rotator cuff surgery in May and will be out for more than a year from that point. So we're looking midseason 2009 at best.


Unless something new has happened this past month, the best we have to go on is the Bernazard staement.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:13 am 
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From Thejurisdoc in the F-Mart thread-

Thejurisdoc wrote:
Fernando finished the final three games going 4-15, with a double, a homerun, and 4 K's. He ended the DWL on a 10 game hitting streak.

Final line: .314 /.376 / .542

Also, I asked Keith Law about the DWL (and Vineyard):

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Hi Keith,

You seem to be as high on Fernando Martinez as any professional I've seen. With the regular season of the DWL coming to a close tonight, I was wondering how much stock I should put into his DWL showing, which I think was pretty successful - he played in 41 of the team's 50 games, with a .318 / .378 / .554 line not including tonight's game (still in progress). I know sometimes DWL stats can be fluky, so I am curious to hear your take on what to make of this stretch.

Also, did you hear that Nathan Vineyard (2nd pick in '07 after Kunz) retired/quit? Strange!


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Vineyard hasn't retired/quit. I saw that rumor, but it's wrong.
I don't pay any attention to winter league stats; the sample sizes are too small and the caliber of competition is irregular (facing a major-league arm one night and an A-baller the next).


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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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Metro2007 wrote:
uapeople wrote:
what a wasted pick!

darn!

who was the 1st round ss pick in the 90's that did this?

unreal, isn't there a question guide that they go from?

what was he a 2nd round pick?

darn!


Ryan Jaroncyk


Steve Phillips was Joe Mac's top executive whem Jaroncyk was drafted. Afew years after retiring and with Phillips the Mets GM he unretired and signed with the Dodgers.

When asked about the signing, Phillips who knew Jaroncyk well from their history and usually toed the line regarding talking about other players and teams, responded with a small grin "Let's just say I'm not real worried about that". Their were always rumors that he didn't have the heart and that he didn't really like playing baseball.

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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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According to this NY Times article: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E6D9103AF933A05756C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1, Jaroncyk "never" liked baseball, but his parents forced him to play.

Also, yahoo! has a link to a creationist website that lists a Ryan Jaroncyk as a "prolific creationist writer". Judging by several God-related quotes in the Times article, it must be the same guy.

Funny -- after '69 and '86, I thought for sure God was a Met fan!


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JoseCobb wrote:
According to this NY Times article: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E6D9103AF933A05756C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1, Jaroncyk "never" liked baseball, but his parents forced him to play.

Also, yahoo! has a link to a creationist website that lists a Ryan Jaroncyk as a "prolific creationist writer". Judging by several God-related quotes in the Times article, it must be the same guy.

Funny -- after '69 and '86, I thought for sure God was a Met fan!


Great find. I also remember them saying he was extremely religous. Also he should have returned that money and I remember it being reported that he did give "some" of the money back.

Like I said he returned a few years later with LA-

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/ ... ncyk.shtml

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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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