Post subject: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:48 pm
Legend of NYFS
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:57 pm Posts: 58769 Location: New York, NY
1. Matt Harvey RHP- Pitching pretty well 2. Zack Wheeler RHP- Dominant 3. Jeurys Familia RHP Has been shaky, shown flashes 4. Jenrry Mejia RHP Stuff looks great 5. Kirk Nieuwenhuis CF Some MLB success 6. Brandon Nimmo RF INC 7. Cesar Puello CF Has been disappointing repeating A+ 8. Wilmer Flores SS- Big time breakout 9. Jordany Valdespin SS/2b-Has been solid 10. Cory Vaughn RF- A little more power, same bb/k numbers, has been somewhat disappointing in a repeat year. (edited to appease the masses) 11. Michael Fulmer RHP Very good considering his age 12. Reese Havens 2B Has been awful 13. Akeel Morris RHP INC 14. Darin Gorski LHP Somewhat disappointing 15. Juan Lagares OF Very disappointing, zero power 16. Aderlin Rodriguez 3b- Breakout year 17. Josh Satin Util Down year so far 18. Greg Peavey RHP Disappointing 19. Matt den Dekker CF Excellent (needs to walk more) 20. Chris Schwinden RHP Good at AAA, Awful in the bigs 21. Juan Urbina LHP INC 22. Erik Goeddel RHP Solid 23. Cory Mazzoni RHP Pretty good 24. Zach Lutz 1b/3b Was hitting very well, hurt 25. Jefry Marte 3b Breakout 26. Albert Cordero C Awful 27. Domingo Tapia RHP Breakout 28. Logan Verrett RHP Looked good before getting hurt 29. Josh Edgin LHP Hot and cold but very good lately 30. Phil Evans SS INC
_________________ Twit-@Wexlerrules http://stlucietoflushing.com/ W.L.W- We Love Wheeler NYFS Top 30 list... starting 10/1 Staunch anti-BADP (Batting average dependent players) Pronounced "Dar-No"
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:56 pm
Legend of NYFS
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:57 pm Posts: 58769 Location: New York, NY
MikeH wrote:
It is pretty funny how many people were ready to write off Wilmer before the year. Now, he is our best positional prospect.
To be fair I don't think 8th looks so laughable considering when the list was made. It's not like numerous guys were ranked ahead of him that shouldn't have been. Nimmo's ranking was 100% speculative, Puello and Wilmer had similar years with Puello having more "tools" and Familia was coming off a great year (Hyde had him the #1 prospect in the system).
_________________ Twit-@Wexlerrules http://stlucietoflushing.com/ W.L.W- We Love Wheeler NYFS Top 30 list... starting 10/1 Staunch anti-BADP (Batting average dependent players) Pronounced "Dar-No"
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:19 pm
Legend of NYFS
Joined: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:01 am Posts: 14602 Location: Atlanta
Most of the high-risk, high-reward guys seem to be performing well, while the safer, low-ceiling, high-floor types seem to be underperforming. Interesting.
MikeH wrote:
It is pretty funny how many people were ready to write off Wilmer before the year. Now, he is our best positional prospect.
He didnt have a position before the year, and wasn't justifying his lack thereof with production in the batter's box.
_________________ I named one of my students Isaac after the great Ike Davis.
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:44 pm
NYFS Hall of Famer
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:54 pm Posts: 5179 Location: Vero Beach, FL
On Vaughn, I posted in the other thread how I thought he was just playing through something and has been great aside from a horrific 8 game slump, but even without parsing his numbers, he has a .357 wOBA and a 125 wRC+ in the FSL. He's obviously taken a step forward from a year ago, I'm not sure how that's "awful". He's clearly having a better year than Valdespin for instance, even considering positional differences.
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:52 pm
Legend of NYFS
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:57 pm Posts: 58769 Location: New York, NY
acerimusdux wrote:
On Vaughn, I posted in the other thread how I thought he was just playing through something and has been great aside from a horrific 8 game slump, but even without parsing his numbers, he has a .357 wOBA and a 157 wRC+ in the FSL. He's obviously taken a step forward from a year ago, I'm not sure how that's "awful". He's clearly having a better year than Valdespin for instance, even considering positional differences.
Vaughn is repeating A+ as a 23 year old with a 235/320/448, last 10 games hes at 231/333/436 so it's not just one bad 8 game slump. If anything I would suggest he had 1 hot streak to open the year and a whole bunch of terrible. He has 2 multi-hit games in his last 10. His wRC is 125, not 157 per fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=OF). He's also hitting 149/286/234 with RISP. I'm no Valdespin fan but Vaughn is a corner OF where the standard is far greater. His K rate and BB are identical to last year. Where is the progress for a player repeating a level that is 5 months OLDER than Ruben Tejada?
_________________ Twit-@Wexlerrules http://stlucietoflushing.com/ W.L.W- We Love Wheeler NYFS Top 30 list... starting 10/1 Staunch anti-BADP (Batting average dependent players) Pronounced "Dar-No"
On Vaughn, I posted in the other thread how I thought he was just playing through something and has been great aside from a horrific 8 game slump, but even without parsing his numbers, he has a .357 wOBA and a 157 wRC+ in the FSL.
125 wRC+.
He's been very solid; the strikeout and walk rates are pretty much exactly the same as last year (which is okay) and he's showing more power (which is good), but he's also 23 years old. I'd like him to see him in AA soon.
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:19 am
NYFS Hall of Famer
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:54 pm Posts: 5179 Location: Vero Beach, FL
The progress is that he has a 125 wRC+, compared to a 92 wRC+ a year ago at the same level, and there's nothing at all wrong with a .769 OS for the last 10 games.
Look, we all knew he sucked at this level last year, and thus would repeat it. We knew he was a bit old. For some reason he was voted our 10th best prospect anyway. I'm not sure how you can ask for much more improvement in one off season. A year ago he really wasn't good. This year, he's been the 2nd best player (after Flores) on the runaway best team in the FSL. He's leading the team in HR, 2nd in RBI, 2nd in R, 3rd in BB, and 2nd in wRC.
And he's not defensively limited to a corner either, he's been outstanding in RF and looks like he'd be decent in CF.
Yes, he's a bit old, but he was also bit old for the NYPL when he was voted that leagues 3rd best prospect in 2010. I personally never had Vaughn in my top 20 after last season, I think the highest I put him was 25. So in my book his stock is up. If people had him in the top 10, maybe his stock should be down a bit, but if you are ranking a high risk high reward guy based on tools and upside, you can't be too disappointed when he has only *almost* broken out.
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:40 am
Fan Favorite
Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:22 am Posts: 1816
How has Vaughn been "awful" and Ad-Rod having a "breakout year".
I get Vaughn is older, but Aderlin is actually repeating Savannah, whereas Vaughn played less than half of last year at St. Lucie and 111 games in A+ total, including this year. They are having very similar seasons statistically.
I would say Vaughn has been "as expected" and Aderlin has been "OK". But there is no way I can say Vaughn, even at his age, with 10 HR before the end of May in the FSL has been "awful"...it's not like he is hitting .175 in the process.
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:59 am
Legend of NYFS
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:57 pm Posts: 58769 Location: New York, NY
The Juice wrote:
How has Vaughn been "awful" and Ad-Rod having a "breakout year".
I get Vaughn is older, but Aderlin is actually repeating Savannah, whereas Vaughn played less than half of last year at St. Lucie and 111 games in A+ total, including this year. They are having very similar seasons statistically.
I would say Vaughn has been "as expected" and Aderlin has been "OK". But there is no way I can say Vaughn, even at his age, with 10 HR before the end of May in the FSL has been "awful"...it's not like he is hitting .175 in the process.
Aderlin Rodriguez for the moment is still a 3b who has shown massive growth in terms of approach at the plate (granted small sample size). A 20 year old player DOUBLING his walk rate while hitting for more power is very intriguing. For a guy the site ranked the Mets 10th best prospect hitting .235 with the same BB/K rate repeating A+ simply isn't very impressive as an overage corner OF. He's not hitting .175 but .235 in a repeat year isn't much better. The whole point of "a very early look" is a month, 2 months, 4 months from now these guys may have a totally different outlook but if I told you before the year Vaughn's BB/K rate would be the same and he'd have a 235/320/448 line but that Aderlin Rodriguez would have an OPS 159 points higher and doubled his walk rate and increasing his slugging % by 80 points in the process 99% people would be disappointed in Vaughn and pretty happy with Aderlin's improvement. Small sample size is certainly an issue here though.
_________________ Twit-@Wexlerrules http://stlucietoflushing.com/ W.L.W- We Love Wheeler NYFS Top 30 list... starting 10/1 Staunch anti-BADP (Batting average dependent players) Pronounced "Dar-No"
Post subject: Re: A very early look at how our top 30 list is doing
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:42 am
NYFS Hall of Famer
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:54 pm Posts: 5179 Location: Vero Beach, FL
BB/K is really only useful for pitchers. Vaughn's BB rate of 9.2% is well above average, and His (TB-H)/SO of 0.88 this year is above average. That leaves the only complaint really a low batting average driven by a .255 BABIP. Yes that is a skill for hitters, but it also varies widely in small samples.
He hasn't been stellar, and he remains a high risk/high reward prospect. But I don't think he's been awful. He has huge raw power, and has the bat speed that might allow him to continue to adjust and improve his hit rate on balls in play.
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum