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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:13 pm 
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Firstly, I loved Reggie, sort of...he was a jerk and he and George and Billy Martin were made for each other...he probably belongs in the hall. That said...he had a career OPS of .846. Guess who else did...Gilbert Raymond Hodges...Gary Sheffield's was .906 fro comparison.

Secondly, Blyleven and Morris are not the same "generation" of pitchers...there is a ten year spread.

Morris in his best 14 years (removal 2 years to get established and removal of the last two years) had a 5.6K/9 ration and a 3.71 ERA/1.26 WHIP

...Blyleven in the 11 years that correspond with Morris' best years listed above (bear in mind these include the waning years of his career...ages 31 to 41)...6.1K/9, 3.76 ERA, 1.24 WHIP.

So Blyleven's end of career, including two seasons of injury and without removing the last two years are on par with Morris' peak.

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:07 pm 
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Jackson’s view on whether players linked to performance-enhancing drugs should be inducted into the Hall of Fame: “If any of those guys get in, no Hall of Famer will attend.”

On Andy Pettitte’s possible election to the Hall of Fame: “The question is going to be a guy like Andy Pettitte, who admitted that he got involved for a while, but who is so universally respected in the game. I think he’ll get in, but there will be a lot of [members] who won’t go.”

Would Jackson attend? “He’s an awfully good friend. I’ve known Andy since he was 20. I’ll leave it there.”


:lol:, nevermind the fact that Andy Pettitte isn't a HoFer with or without the HGH.


I love his warped view on Andy Pettite (which is shared by many Yankee fans). To say that he is universally respected is a joke. The guy used his father to get HGH for him. Name one person that doesn't have ties to the Yankees that actually respects him? In my view and in many other fans' view Andy Pettite is just as big a piece of crap as Clemens is. For years I had to hear about the bible totting, family man Andy Pettite. For a guy that love's his family, he sure couldn't wait to get away from them.


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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Reggie wants borderline guys out of Hall. How about guy with .262BA, career K record, same OPS as Andres Galarraga. Oops, that's you Reggie

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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:10 pm 
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07:26 AM ET 07.07 | Reggie Jackson said yesterday he was looking to contact Gary Carter's widow to apologize for comments made about "The Kid's" Hall of Fame spot. In a recent Sports Illustrated article, Jackson lumped Carter in with Kirby Puckett, Jim Rice and others as players he questioned being in the Hall of Fame. Jackson also cast doubt about Alex Rodriguez and Andy Pettitte being worthy of Hall of Fame status because of performance enhancing drug usage. Rodriguez admitted in 2009 to using PEDs while with the Rangers. Pettitte also admitted using PEDs.


http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/332078-reggie-wants-to-apologize-to-carters-widow?sct=mlb_bf1_a5&eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Reggie Jackson has basically been benched indefinitely by the Yankees, and told to stay from the team until he is informed otherwise.

Reggie Jackson was benched by the Yankees because of his disparaging comments about Alex Rodriguez and others.

Nobody I spoke with has ruled out possibility that Reggie Jackson will return. He has effectively been placed in a penalty box.

There is as much anger in NYY organization about what he said regarding Gary Carter and Kirby Puckett as what Jackson said about others.



Very classy move by the Yankees.

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:47 pm 
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Reggie Jackson has basically been benched indefinitely by the Yankees, and told to stay from the team until he is informed otherwise.

Reggie Jackson was benched by the Yankees because of his disparaging comments about Alex Rodriguez and others.

Nobody I spoke with has ruled out possibility that Reggie Jackson will return. He has effectively been placed in a penalty box.

There is as much anger in NYY organization about what he said regarding Gary Carter and Kirby Puckett as what Jackson said about others.



Very classy move by the Yankees.


+1 to the Yankees. I still hate them though. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:12 pm 
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I don't see it as a classy move at all. It's strictly a business one. He's knocked two active Yankee players. If Reggie is permitted to "Yankee" ( to coin a phrase ), it sends the message that the organization agrees with disparaging remarks against two of their current players. That's not good for the players involved, the team in general and the overall business operations of the organization. I'd do the same thing if I were in their shoes. But it has nothing to do with class.

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:50 pm 
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I don't see it as a classy move at all. It's strictly a business one. He's knocked two active Yankee players. If Reggie is permitted to "Yankee" ( to coin a phrase ), it sends the message that the organization agrees with disparaging remarks against two of their current players. That's not good for the players involved, the team in general and the overall business operations of the organization. I'd do the same thing if I were in their shoes. But it has nothing to do with class.


Personally, I wouldn't rule out "class" being involved, as well.

Everything else you say is probably 100 pct accurate, but it's also possible for people in the Yankees brass to be offended by the poor taste of knocking other Hall of Famers, especially ones who are recently deceased after a horrible illness.

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:53 pm 
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Chico wrote:
doowop14 wrote:
I don't see it as a classy move at all. It's strictly a business one. He's knocked two active Yankee players. If Reggie is permitted to "Yankee" ( to coin a phrase ), it sends the message that the organization agrees with disparaging remarks against two of their current players. That's not good for the players involved, the team in general and the overall business operations of the organization. I'd do the same thing if I were in their shoes. But it has nothing to do with class.


Personally, I wouldn't rule out "class" being involved, as well.

Everything else you say is probably 100 pct accurate, but it's also possible for people in the Yankees brass to be offended by the poor taste of knocking other Hall of Famers, especially ones who are recently deceased after a horrible illness.


The Yankees are a corporate entity above all else. Whether something is motivated by class or not, they don't want anyone who is going to embarrass them publicly. Their organizational mantra is generally for players to shut up and play. This makes them kind of boring, cold, and sterile, but it also makes comments like Jackson's completely unacceptable. When the M.O. is to avoid controversy, it doesn't really fit to be associated with someone who invites that. Call it class, call it business, call it what you will, but running one's mouth flies in the face of their image (contrast this with the Phils or the Red Sox, who seem to seek out big mouthed jerkfaces).

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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:42 pm 
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Goose Gossage has also said a lot of stuff, a lot of stupid stuff, about current players and Yankees, current and former but the Yankees still let him fron their brand. I actually do buy the uneasiness of trashing two dead guys, guys who around baseball were universally respected. Though they let Reggie trash Billy Martin after his death but I guess there is some truth or just a touchy subject for all involved.


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 Post subject: Re: Reggie Jackson: Gary Carter does not belong in the HOF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Wait til Reggie hears about the exclusive club Gary just got into.

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