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 Post subject: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:17 am 
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I normally wouldn't start a new topic for this, but I think is worthy on its own. MacLeod really nails this. I C&Ped the whole thing. Here is the link http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.c ... -of-lying/

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When someone lies to you, it’s because they don’t respect you enough to be honest or that they think you’re too stupid enough to realize they’re lying in the first place. That’s exactly how the New York Mets are treating their fan base.

Throughout the course of this season, this organization has being spreading misinformation or, as it should be more bluntly put, flat-out lies on a routine basis.

There was the time Mickey Callaway claimed that Jeff McNeil was incapable of playing anywhere besides second base, despite the fact that 48% of McNeil’s minor league appearances came at other positions. Since being called up by the Mets, McNeil has played two of his eight games at third base, which while not being an overwhelming sample size, is very clearly not exclusively second.

Or the multiple times that Callaway has stuck up for José Reyes, whose off- and on-field actions would have merited a release from nearly any other team in Major League Baseball. “He’s played pretty good when he’s been out there,” Callaway said in early July while explaining why Reyes was starting at third base. Reyes has -3 defensive runs saved, a -2 ultimate zone rating and a -29.7 UZR/150 at that position, by the way. And that’s not even mentioning Reyes’ atrocious offensive numbers; the 35-year-old is hitting .187/.258/.283 for the season.

How about the time that interim general manager — at least I think? The Mets front office situation is honestly a tangled mystery at this point — John Ricco claimed that the club would potentially absorb salary in trade deadline deals in order to get a better return. Well, as it turned out, the Mets opted to make just two trades ahead of this year’s July 31 deadline, as they moved Jeurys Familia and Asdrubal Cabrera. They also didn’t absorb a single cent of either player’s remaining contracts, saving the team close to $5 million. “We made the judgment the talent level for eating money wasn’t going to be there,” Ricco said after the Familia trade. “We decided to do the deal where we moved the money.” Perhaps a better deal would have been there had they kept negotiating until closer to the deadline.

Despite Ricco’s claims that the team needed to “look at position players,” young players such as Amed Rosario, Jeff McNeil and Luis Guillorme continue to find themselves on the bench in favor of veterans with expiring contracts — Reyes, Jose Bautista, Austin Jackson, etc. — to the point that Gary Cohen, live on SNY, is counting the number of players over the age of 30 in the starting lineup. And the explanations from Callaway have varied from slightly odd to inexplicable.

And now that the 2018 season is already over for this team, despite two more full months of games on their schedule, this front office triumvirate has their sights set on next year. Yet despite being on pace for consecutive 90-loss seasons, having a bottom-10 farm system and an unwillingness to spend on top tier free agents, Ricco has continuously claimed that the Mets are planning on being postseason contenders in 2019…with zero explanation on how they plan on accomplishing that feat.

Along with the team’s incessant need to hide the truth, what’s become frustrating over these last few months is how a large majority of the media covering this team has essentially allowed them to get away with it. As the Mets continue to claim how well Reyes has played or why certain prospects are left to toil in the minors or how they’ll magically be contenders again next season, pushback in the press briefing room has been practically nonexistent. I think we all understand that this is a difficult position for these writers. These are people that they have to face on a daily basis, but at the end of the day, it is their job to seek the truth, and not just become another mouth piece for this organization. And while Callaway and Ricco likely aren’t the source of these lies, as the Wilpons (who apparently are only accessible to the media once every three years) continue to reign from on high, those making these false claims need to be pressed on the words coming out of their mouths. If you’re holding back your hard-hitting questions for Fred and Jeff Wilpon, you’re going to be waiting for a long time.

I don’t expect this or any other baseball organization to be completely transparent and tell the truth at all times. There are situations where holding back information or posturing make sense for strategic reasons. But these things the Mets are saying have no logic or strategy behind them, and instead appear to be thinly veiled attempts at covering for their continued poor decision-making.

What may be most frustrating, though, is that I don’t know if there’s an easy solution for this problem. Sure, you can change the manager or the general manager or the entire staff if you want to, but that’s not going to make much of a difference. Culture is derived from the top, and the Wilpons won’t be climbing down from their perch anytime soon. Will more pressure from reporters and analysts help change things? Will anyone actually step up to even try? Is an organized fan revolt something that can actually work, or will ownership just drown out the noise?

In all honesty, there may not be anything that can actually stop the Mets from deceiving their fanbase. But from this point forward, these lies can no longer be ignored. They can no longer be rationalized. The time has come for the Mets to be called out for what they really are.


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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:57 am 
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Call out the manager to his face in public? Sure, on your last day on the job

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:10 am 
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Yes Rich because general mangers in ANY sport are giving away their plans to their opponents.

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:20 am 
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As long as the Wilpons own the Mets, this is what we can expect. I don't have a problem with what the guy wrote - it's basically true. The Wilpons are trash.

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:30 am 
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Yes Rich because general mangers in ANY sport are giving away their plans to their opponents.


Let's not pretend this is normal. The "Jose Reyes is contributing" narrative is insane unless the team is telegraphing a desire to tank.

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:53 am 
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I don't think this mentality is exclusive to baseball at the moment...

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:03 pm 
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Reyes is playing pretty decent now oddly enough lol. Defensively he's gotten it together. But I'm sure everyone is due for a hot streak when they get plenty of chances. I wish Dom got as many chances as Reyes has...

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:19 pm 
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I certainly can't figure out why these greybeards are playing over the kids either. The only possible explanation is that the FO, despite the recent public announcements to the contrary, has threatened Calloway with dismissal.

The other possibility is that some of these younger players just aren't that good, and if the Mets hope to get anything for them this offseason they need to remain prospects instead of suspects. Case in point yesterday. An inning after Gary and Keith second-guessed Calloway's (and the team's) past usage of Oswalt and wondered why he didn't get more MLB playing time, Cory imploded.

If you want outrage from the reporters that cover the Mets, check out their Twitter feeds, plenty of it from them on there, just none of it Met-related.

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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:25 pm 
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I certainly can't figure out why these greybeards are playing over the kids either. The only possible explanation is that the FO, despite the recent public announcements to the contrary, has threatened Calloway with dismissal.

The other possibility is that some of these younger players just aren't that good, and if the Mets hope to get anything for them this offseason they need to remain prospects instead of suspects. Case in point yesterday. An inning after Gary and Keith second-guessed Calloway's (and the team's) past usage of Oswalt and wondered why he didn't get more MLB playing time, Cory imploded.

If you want outrage from the reporters that cover the Mets, check out their Twitter feeds, plenty of it from them on there, just none of it Met-related.

Implode? If you're expecting every pitcher who goes out there to be perfect, then I guess you nailed it. If you want to be rational about it, Oswalt has been pretty impressive.

As to the geriatric crowd, don;t over-think it. What is most logical is often the right answer - Callaway is just this dumb. He keeps proving it over and over. If you ask him, he will say that 'Jose Reyes has been a pretty good player in this league for a long time...' He thinks the Jose Reyes from 2011 is going to re-appear if he just sticks with him long enough... sure he'll start to have some balls find some holes but after about 75 games of really hurting the team... Mickey didn't consider that.

Overall, this is what happens when there are competing objectives (present vs. future) and they are allowed to persist bc there is a weak or simply bad baseball chief running things.


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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:28 pm 
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pennst92 wrote:
As long as the Wilpons own the Mets, this is what we can expect. I don't have a problem with what the guy wrote - it's basically true. The Wilpons are trash.


In fact it will probably get worse when papa Fred passes away and Jeffy is totally in charge.


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 Post subject: Re: The Invention of Lying
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:06 pm 
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MetFan29 wrote:
Yes Rich because general mangers in ANY sport are giving away their plans to their opponents.

wut?? Yeah, bc their history of success earned them such faith. You're right, these guys obviously know what they're doing. :lol:


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MetFan29 wrote:
Yes Rich because general mangers in ANY sport are giving away their plans to their opponents.

wut?? Yeah, bc their history of success earned them such faith. You're right, these guys obviously know what they're doing. :lol:


They plan on getting younger and more athletic offensively and will continue to rely on the strength of the starting pitching. There. That's the plan! LOL


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